Nightmare Trip to Parker's (Seattle)

[wayabvpar]

I was in Edmonds all day Friday and Saturday for the Whirlyball National Championships; we had a 4 hour break between games, so I thought I would sit at Parker's to see how things are played in this neck of the woods (have only played at Tulalip, Diamond Lil's and the Muck so far).

I arrived at about 5:30. The room is pretty haphazardly slapped together (it is separated from the rest of the casino by a temporary wall). There were three games going- 3/6, 4/8, and 8/16. I grabbed a rack and sat at the last remaining 4/8 seat (which was surprisingly comfortable- by far the best chair I have seen in a card room). Not overly smokey, but was a little warm (they had fans, but no AC). Bottled water was free, which was nice- I still have trouble believing that the Muck charges for it.

No post was required, so I got a hand 'free' as soon as I sat down. I peek down to see AQo- I am liking this already! I raise in middle position after a couple of limpers, and end up with 4 callers total). Flop was K high rainbow. A bet and raise in front of me convinced me that I was drawing pretty thin, so I dumped my hand.

This was how the entire game went (I saw AQ 5 times and dragged 1 pot with it). Hand after hand I had to fold on the flop or the turn when my draws would collapse and the pot odds precluded my chasing. I blew through my first rack much too quickly, and was just dipping into my 2nd when this hand come up.

I am on the button and catch K [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 8 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]. Not my favorite, but playable from late position. 4 limpers to me, and I limp as well (should I raise here in a no fold 'em game?). SB completes, but then BB raises. I have played with this woman for an hour or so, and she only shows down quality hands. This is her first preflop raise, which sets my spidey senses to tingling. She loses a couple of the limpers, and I dump my hand as well (9 small bets in the pot- is this worth a call here?).

Flop- A [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] K [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 8 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] I dumped bottom 2 pair and a nut flush draw.

Turn- Q [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]. The dagger in my heart.

River was a blank. BB turns over QQ for the turned set and takes down a nice pot.

After this hand, I couldn't put a foot right the rest of the night. When I made the 'correct' decision and folded, my hands would get there. When I called down the habitual bluffers with marginal holdings, they had a hand. It was just a nightmare, and my 2nd rack disappeared at an alarming rate.

I am not very happy with the way I played, nor with Lady Luck sticking her thumb in my eye at every opportunity. The room was decent, but nothing I would go out of my way to play again. There were a few calling stations, but also enough decent players to make playing there less profitable than the Muck (for instance).

Anyone else played there? Did I run into a buzzsaw, or did my early setbacks turn me into a weak-tight worm?

[Analyst]

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I am on the button and catch K [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 8 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]. Not my favorite, but playable from late position. 4 limpers to me, and I limp as well (should I raise here in a no fold 'em game?). SB completes, but then BB raises. I have played with this woman for an hour or so, and she only shows down quality hands. This is her first preflop raise, which sets my spidey senses to tingling. She loses a couple of the limpers, and I dump my hand as well (9 small bets in the pot- is this worth a call here?).

Flop- A [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] K [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 8 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] I dumped bottom 2 pair and a nut flush draw.

Turn- Q [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]. The dagger in my heart.


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I think you ran into the infamous double-deck poker problem. [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]
Normally, I'd guess this was a typo but how could you flop both 2 pair and a flush draw?

[Mackie]

Unless you are absolutely certain the SB is going to raise (thus allowing the BB to cap), mucking your Kx suited on the button for one small bet with 11 small bets in the pot is a mistake.

[wayabvpar]

That is what I get for posting pre-coffee. The board was actually this-

A [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] K [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 6 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] Q [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 8 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (I think).

I remember seeing two pair, but it had to be on the river (as you pointed out, I couldn't have flopped 2 pair and a flush draw!).

[bernie]

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I am on the button and catch K 8 . Not my favorite, but playable from late position. 4 limpers to me, and I limp as well (should I raise here in a no fold 'em game?). SB completes, but then BB raises. I have played with this woman for an hour or so, and she only shows down quality hands. This is her first preflop raise, which sets my spidey senses to tingling. She loses a couple of the limpers, and I dump my hand as well (9 small bets in the pot- is this worth a call here?).


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Yes. This is an easy call here. Terrible fold.

If you were going to fold this for a single raise behind you preflop, you shouldn't have limped.

Lady luck didn't put a thumb in your eye on this one, she was beckoning to you. Ya turned her down. [img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img]

So she went and bounced up and down on another players' lap.

b

[RocketManJames]

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That is what I get for posting pre-coffee. The board was actually this-

A [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] K [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 6 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] Q [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 8 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (I think).

I remember seeing two pair, but it had to be on the river (as you pointed out, I couldn't have flopped 2 pair and a flush draw!).

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Something's still not quite right... if you held K [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 8 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] in this hand, you'd have the nuts. Maybe a non-diamond Q hit the turn.

-RMJ

[GuyOnTilt]

I was in Edmonds all day Friday and Saturday for the Whirlyball National Championships

Oh man, I really do miss Whirlyball. Fun times...

GoT

[stir]

You asked if you should've raised pre-flop with K,8 suited. No. You have a drawing hand and ideally you would like see the flop for one bet. If you miss the flop completely, you can get out cheaply.

However, once the raise occurred, I agree with everyone else: you need to call.

[risen]

He did have the nuts, but they were in the muck. And mucked nuts don't play.

[RocketManJames]

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He did have the nuts, but they were in the muck. And mucked nuts don't play.

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I need to read more carefully. I completely missed the part about him dumping his hand on the flop. Hah. What a moron I am.

-RMJ