180man SNG Hand #1 - Really really weird AKs

[Colombo]

this is a $20 180-man on stars correct?

You will see K6o and QJ enough to make this an extremely profitable call. I'm not being sarcastic or exaggerating either.

[Firefly]

CLAYTON's Range
Text results appended to pokerstove.txt

8,981,180,208 games 46.157 secs 194,578,941 games/sec

Board:
Dead:

equity (%) win (%) tie (%)
Hand 1: 29.5195 % 23.12% 06.40% { AKs }
Hand 2: 38.3004 % 33.77% 04.53% { 99+, AKs, AKo }
Hand 3: 32.1801 % 28.88% 03.30% { 99+, AQs+, AQo+ }


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MY RANGE

15,725,289,888 games 66.967 secs 234,821,477 games/sec

Board:
Dead:

equity (%) win (%) tie (%)
Hand 1: 34.1452 % 28.32% 05.82% { AKs }
Hand 2: 30.7703 % 27.76% 03.01% { 88+, AQs+, KQs, AQo+, KQo }
Hand 3: 35.0844 % 30.91% 04.17% { 99+, AQs+, AQo+ }


So if Clay really believes that is the range for MP1, then its a fold. If not, call

[ClaytonN]

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So if Clay really believes that is the range for MP1, then its a fold. If not, call

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wooyay.

results:

Button has 44
Pusher guy has AKo

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Button has 44

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Enough said.

[Blindcurve]

Is the button's play terrible if he puts Clayton on exactly ATs+ AJo+, and the push on AJs+, AQo+ exactly? Actually even if you include the pairs say, 66-TT, if you know Clayton is good and has a good chance of folding to a freaky looking overcall. How donkish is this, actually?

Out of curiosity, not endorsement...

-D.

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Is the button's play terrible if he puts Clayton on exactly ATs+ AJo+, and the push on AJs+, AQo+ exactly? Actually even if you include the pairs say, 66-TT, if you know Clayton is good and has a good chance of folding to a freaky looking overcall. How donkish is this, actually?

Out of curiosity, not endorsement...

-D.

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Yes.. the button's play is horrible. It's pretty ridiculous to decide that neither player has an overpair on him.

[ansky451]

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Is the button's play terrible if he puts Clayton on exactly ATs+ AJo+, and the push on AJs+, AQo+ exactly? Actually even if you include the pairs say, 66-TT, if you know Clayton is good and has a good chance of folding to a freaky looking overcall. How donkish is this, actually?

Out of curiosity, not endorsement...

-D.

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Yes.. the button's play is horrible. It's pretty ridiculous to decide that neither player has an overpair on him.

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Yeah its atrocious. How could he possiblty "put them" on overcards given the action.


And FWIW I may have folded Clay, I misread the origial post. Usually I'd call off there, but I would consier a fold.

Yeah, you're right about the button. But let's say he was down to $800 or so in that situation? Triple up and he's right back in the thick of things. I'd go for it, but I'm fairly new at this and I like to gamble.

I have won one of these 180s at Stars though and made the final table at 4 others by gambling like a maniac (out of maybe 30-40 total played - so I guess I'm up a little). I've also had a few big stack meltdowns or I'd have been in the top 3 a couple more times. I figure being willing to risk my whole stack is my best edge against guys who are capable of folding AK and AQ when shown strength.

And I will say that I've found extreme post-flop aggressiveness following a preflop raise incredibly +eV at this level. IE: constant continuation bets of about 80% of the pot, bluff check-raises, betting HUGE when I have JJ-KK and an A falls on the flop to push out A-medium, betting big on the turn when an A or a K falls and I don't have one, even little probe bets. Same with the $25-$30 SNGs. Is this just common knowledge, or have I stumbled onto something? Sometimes I go play the $55s just to see what it's like to play against people who don't put up with that crap.

I hope no one who plays against me reads this.

IMO...This is a fold for me. You have to give one of them credit for a pair, and you must think one of them is holding an A or a K, if not both, so there goes some of your outs. Also, these 180's are complete donkfests and you will be able to get your money in at a better time.

edit..I didn't read any reply's before replying to the OP

Maybe button had you both read for AK (or a good chance)? I'll take 44 vs. 2 guys w/AK any day. But I'll only shoot for it when I'm desperate, which he certainly wasn't.