showdown rule in home poker

[manpower]

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For us it depends on the quality of the game. If there are a number of people who don't know what's going on, we just have everyone show.

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In the home games I play (generally < $10 buy in) pretty much everyone shows, it helps to keep the game low key and fun and reinforces the desire to gamboool. We also let anyone rabbit cam whenever they want as well.

[smoore]

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Technically - anyone at a table can ask to see an unshown hand. You will be tossed from a casino for asking too many time to see a hand IF you were not in the showdown. You will never be penalized for asking to see an opponents hand if you were actually in the showdown with him. Your opponent may not like having to show - but if he doesn't want to show he should duck out before getting a chance to win the pot...

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Technically, this rule is designed to prevent cheating, not to give your unattentive weak-tight butt an excuse to see everyone's cards. You do this a few times in my home game and you'll be picking up your teeth.

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Well, I wouldn't smack the dumbass who did this but they sure wouldn't be coming back.

[tonypaladino]

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Technically - anyone at a table can ask to see an unshown hand. You will be tossed from a casino for asking too many time to see a hand IF you were not in the showdown. You will never be penalized for asking to see an opponents hand if you were actually in the showdown with him. Your opponent may not like having to show - but if he doesn't want to show he should duck out before getting a chance to win the pot...

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Technically, this rule is designed to prevent cheating, not to give your unattentive weak-tight butt an excuse to see everyone's cards. You do this a few times in my home game and you'll be picking up your teeth.

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Well, I wouldn't smack the dumbass who did this but they sure wouldn't be coming back.

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I would. I [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] smacking people.

Yes, I have issues

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Technically, this rule is designed to prevent cheating, not to give your unattentive weak-tight butt an excuse to see everyone's cards. You do this a few times in my home game and you'll be picking up your teeth.

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The reason NOT to show your cards is to deprive others at the table of information - otherwise, you'd just show at every single showdown. (Note the word Show in showdown [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img] ).

If I want to know what they had when they called me on the flop, or on the turn - I've a perfectly valid right to that info. Obviously at the end of the hand, they didnt' have a real hand - but I may want to know whether he was chasing a flush or bluffing... In those cases, I've paid to see his hand - and that's why a casino will never penalize me for asking to see it.

I don't think there's any bad form at all in a player who's in a hand at the end asking to see what someone else brought to a showdown - and then decided not to show.

why should the caller have to show at all? in my understanding, the last aggressor has to show first and if the caller is beat, he can choose not to just muck his hand.

If asked - yes. Though you'll get tossed from a casino if you ask too many times when you were not in the showdown yourself. If you are in the showdown and ask - you won't get tossed - though as you can see some here consider it bad form (myself not included).

[Slick Al]

FYI - not all online casinos give you the ability to see all hands at showdown (Crypto sites for example, do not give you the ability to see mucked hands, even at showdown).

The only time I've asked or had people ask in our home games is when we had the following happen:

Person A bets and is called by Person B.
Person A asks what Person B has, and decides to show only with a winning hand.

We then asked person A to show, because he's angle shooting.

Now if you bet, get called, and muck blind, that's another thing. You've mucked, and if someone not in the hand asks to see your hand, it's shown and can't win. If the other person in the pot asks to see your hand, it's my understanding that this make it live again, but I'm not 100% sure - haven't ever seen that happen.

If the first person has the winning hand, others muck, people are entitled to ask what the hands were, but it's supposed to only be used to catch collusion/cheating.

If someone does it once/twice at our games (which are very friendly/mostly new people), it's ok. If it continues, we explain the purpose of the rule and ask them to say why they think there's something wrong, even if they need to pull the host aside for it. We let them know that it's not ok to do this for information or just to see hands, etc. More often, everyone just shows their hand anyway when they're in a pot, they just like to see what hands people have, and won't remember anything past the two cards in their hand + the board.

Al