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08-09-2005, 01:59 PM
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pokertracker numbers that everyone uses
i always see everyone talking about so and so, who is a XX/XX..
does this really tell you anything? first of all, over how many hands? what if the guy just caught some hot cards over a few thousand hands? now you think he's a maniac. also, what if the majority of hands you have from him came from 3 handed play or something? what would you say if a guy was a 30/20? 
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08-09-2005, 02:08 PM
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Re: pokertracker numbers that everyone uses
x/y/z
x= VP$IP= what percentage of hands a player voluntarily puts money into the pot with- 16-17 i believe i considered the norm around here in full ring. y= preflop raise %- self-explanatory z= average postflop aggression- bets+raises/calls+checks? Should be above 2 if aggressive, above 3 if super aggressive, anythign under 1 is awful. After 50 hands you have a resonable expectation of how loose they are. After 500 you are very confident. Helps provide a better hand range for close decisions
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08-09-2005, 02:23 PM
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Re: pokertracker numbers that everyone uses
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does this really tell you anything? [/ QUOTE ] its not always right but it gives you something to go on. make notes as you go if his numbers are decieving. [ QUOTE ] what would you say if a guy was a 30/20? [/ QUOTE ] watch the [censored] out
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08-09-2005, 03:28 PM
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Re: pokertracker numbers that everyone uses
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does this really tell you anything? first of all, over how many hands? what if the guy just caught some hot cards over a few thousand hands? now you think he's a maniac. [/ QUOTE ] are your reads ever 100% accurate?
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08-09-2005, 03:34 PM
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08-09-2005, 03:55 PM
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Re: pokertracker numbers that everyone uses
VPiP is usually pretty accurate and converges fast.
PFR converges slower yet still gives a general idea. AF is useless and will not converge like in 10k hands. I've seen total brainless maniacs with AF <1 and weak-tight rocks with AF>3. Also the way AF is calculated is pretty useless as it counts checks with intention of CR as something "passive". If someone check/calls flop and check/raises turn they would get low AF because they checked twice and raised once yet they may do it every single hand and are clearly more agressive than many others.
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08-09-2005, 04:14 PM
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Re: pokertracker numbers that everyone uses
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what would you say if a guy was a 30/20? [/ QUOTE ] He should eat more carrots. TSP
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08-09-2005, 04:20 PM
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08-09-2005, 04:41 PM
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Re: pokertracker numbers that everyone uses
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AF is useless and will not converge like in 10k hands. I've seen total brainless maniacs with AF <1 and weak-tight rocks with AF>3. Also the way AF is calculated is pretty useless as it counts checks with intention of CR as something "passive". If someone check/calls flop and check/raises turn they would get low AF because they checked twice and raised once yet they may do it every single hand and are clearly more agressive than many others. [/ QUOTE ] I'm not sure AF is useless as you say but your ideas are thought provoking. Perhaps you may want to start a lead post on the subject. ~ Rick
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