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Old 05-15-2005, 05:52 PM
fl0w fl0w is offline
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Default Beating myself up for a stupid laydown.

It's still pretty early, villain has been playing very agressive and somewhat loose and accumulated a big stack.
Player between us is a no-show, he's sitting out so ignore him.

I just made a comeback from about t1800.

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t150 (9 handed) converter

MP1 (t3280)
MP2 (t3575)
MP3 (t1242)
CO (t6665)
Button (t1555)
Hero (t4625)
BB (t3580)
UTG (t5260)
UTG+1 (t5468)

Preflop: Hero is SB with Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">5 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">CO raises to t600</font>, <font color="#666666">3 folds</font>.

Final Pot: t825

I'm thinking this could've been a steal with ANY hand since he was practically on the button. I had been playing pretty conservative.
I didn't want to loose my new stack so I laid it down.
In retrospect, I think I should've pushed. I'm favorite to a lot of hands, and he might lay down since he only got me covered by 2k. What do YOU think?
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Old 05-15-2005, 06:08 PM
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Default Re: Beating myself up for a stupid laydown.

You absolutely cannot fold this hand - period. You most likely have the best hand and would prefer to win it pre-flop versus playing the flop out of position. At the same time I don't think you need to push. You can make a normal raise to around T1400.
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Old 05-15-2005, 07:30 PM
LotsOfOuts69 LotsOfOuts69 is offline
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Default Re: Beating myself up for a stupid laydown.

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You absolutely cannot fold this hand - period. You most likely have the best hand and would prefer to win it pre-flop versus playing the flop out of position. At the same time I don't think you need to push. You can make a normal raise to around T1400.

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That way when the raiser calls you have 155 behind OoP to bluff him if you miss
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Old 05-16-2005, 09:23 AM
invisibleleadsoup invisibleleadsoup is offline
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Default Re: Beating myself up for a stupid laydown.

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You absolutely cannot fold this hand - period. You most likely have the best hand and would prefer to win it pre-flop versus playing the flop out of position. At the same time I don't think you need to push. You can make a normal raise to around T1400.

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That way when the raiser calls you have 155 behind OoP to bluff him if you miss

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addition and subtraction are not your strong points i take it
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Old 05-16-2005, 12:29 PM
DVC Calif DVC Calif is offline
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Default Re: Beating myself up for a stupid laydown.

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You absolutely cannot fold this hand - period. You most likely have the best hand and would prefer to win it pre-flop versus playing the flop out of position. At the same time I don't think you need to push. You can make a normal raise to around T1400.

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That way when the raiser calls you have 155 behind OoP to bluff him if you miss

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addition and subtraction are not your strong points i take it

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Hero is SB (not Button who is not involved in this hand). Hero would have t3150 and can make a pot sized push on the flop.
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Old 05-16-2005, 12:33 PM
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Default Re: Beating myself up for a stupid laydown.

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You absolutely cannot fold this hand - period. You most likely have the best hand and would prefer to win it pre-flop versus playing the flop out of position. At the same time I don't think you need to push. You can make a normal raise to around T1400.

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That way when the raiser calls you have 155 behind OoP to bluff him if you miss

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addition and subtraction are not your strong points i take it

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Hero is SB (not Button who is not involved in this hand). Hero would have t3150 and can make a pot sized push on the flop.

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yes, but if you make it 1400, original raiser would only have 150 left after calling...
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Old 05-16-2005, 12:41 PM
schwza schwza is offline
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Default Re: Beating myself up for a stupid laydown.

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You absolutely cannot fold this hand - period. You most likely have the best hand and would prefer to win it pre-flop versus playing the flop out of position. At the same time I don't think you need to push. You can make a normal raise to around T1400.

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That way when the raiser calls you have 155 behind OoP to bluff him if you miss

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addition and subtraction are not your strong points i take it

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Hero is SB (not Button who is not involved in this hand). Hero would have t3150 and can make a pot sized push on the flop.

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yes, but if you make it 1400, original raiser would only have 150 left after calling...

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the button with 1550 is not involved in this hand. it's the CO and the SB.

this is a really bad fold against an unknown, and a horrible one against a known aggro.

my "standard" reraise here would be to ~1.8k. it'd be a tough choice if villain then pushed though.
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Old 05-16-2005, 12:48 PM
imported_torgeauxSA imported_torgeauxSA is offline
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Default Re: Beating myself up for a stupid laydown.

Re-raise, not push, definitely don't fold given your read of the player and his position. I hate AQ, even suited, so I feel your pain, but this is a premium hand, you're heads up, and likely way ahead. Re-raise, and consider calling if he pushes.
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Old 05-16-2005, 12:51 PM
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Default Re: Beating myself up for a stupid laydown.

You will never win a tournament if you can't push in this spot.
There is absolutely no way you can call and if you reraise you
are pot comitted so pushing is clearly the best play.

Bruce
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Old 05-16-2005, 12:56 PM
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Default Re: Beating myself up for a stupid laydown.

i don't think calling and check-raising any flop is bad.
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