Draw when heads up?

[jcm4ccc]

The way you have phrased this question makes it an easy odds question:

Calling on the flop. You need to call for 25000 to win a pot of 60000. You seem to have twelve outs, but it's probably good to knock that down by 1 (you will not always win if an Ace hits). Your odds are 3.2:1. You are getting less than 2.5 on your money. The call is not good.

You could have pushed on the flop. With 11 outs, your odds are 1.4:1 of hitting your hand by the river. That's pretty good. You also have some folding equity (Your opponent will have to call a 60K bet to win 120K, I think, which is some folding equity but not a lot--he won't fold if he has a queen, as you seem to think). If you fold, you have 84K to his 185K. I think pushing is preferable to folding.

Once you call the flop bet, I think you are pretty much pot committed. You don't want to call off 40% of your stack and then fold. Call the push.

[wizard]

This is the reason for my post. There is no question that the right odds exist for a call. (I don't believe any fold equity exists) Is it worth a call for all your chips when playing for 1st and 2nd when you "know" that you are behind?

[schwza]

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(I don't believe any fold equity exists) Is it worth a call for all your chips when playing for 1st and 2nd when you "know" that you are behind?

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it's not a call for all your chips - it would be a push for all your chips. if you're 100% positive that he'll call a push and he'll have a Q, it's close enough that you could go either way. except, if you're 100% sure that he has a Q just because he led out after calling your raise, then he's obviously completely terrible or you're psychic and you should avoid playing any huge pots where you're not a big favorite.

calling may still be better than folding, depending on how often he pays you off if a Q/A hits, and whether you can push him out if some other scare card (like a K) hits.