stealthguy 15/30

[Wheezl]

Lawsuit.

[nummerfire]

I understand those arguments and would have done the same myself if I ever played heads up. Never the less, this was my gut reaction (remember, I come from a country, most USA citizens would consider very near socialism).

Also I think there is a risk of cutting yourself of the action. What if he begins to think about why someone is very eager to play him heads up. Maybe he will just pick up and leave.

Kim

[highlife]

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How do they expect you to prove that you've returned his money?

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Party Poker would do it for him. That is why the suspended the account, so that he couldn't cash out before they got a chance to refund the money back to the other player.

As far as why they wouldnt just use the account transfer function to move money around, this creates a record which can be used for tax purposes (costing you money if you report it, or trouble if you dont report it and get audited). If you lose the money in a game, it goes down in your file as a gambling loss, which is actually a tax deduction.

[holdem2000]

So I sent them enough hand histories that I think they accept that it was a real poker game, but now the real issue comes to light:

Dear Jonathan

From the hands that we sent you yesterday, it is evident that there was money movement between
both accounts. These hands have been cross checked once again by our game experts and they have
confirmed this opinion. As discussed with you we cannot process your cashout. The reason being that
'stealthguy' has links to some accounts that have some unresolved issues with our "Credit and
Resolutions" Team.

To resolve this matter, the only solution we can provide to you is to revoke the money that was
transacted on the "holdem2000's pvt table 2" i.e. an amount of $3189 will be transferred back from
your account to 'stealthguy' and then we will reactivate your account.

Please reply in the affirmative so that we may go ahead. Please take this to be an initiative on
our part to secure your money and your account from future possible issues on the "Credit and
Resolutions" front.

If you need any clarifications, have any questions or concerns; please feel free to contact us.
We will be more than happy to assist you



All I can think of to do so far is to send them this reply:

Please do not transfer the money back from my account yet.

Am I understanding you correctly that the reason that PartyPoker is going to take money away from me that I rightfully won solely because they allowed a customer to play me when he really did not have the funds which were in his account, and now I am being forced to pay $3189 for PartyPoker's mistakes?



So I think that they think I'm steathguy's accomplice in relieving his credit issues. The good news is it looks like they can't do anything without my permission, meanwhile Party loses about $500 a week from keeping me off the tables (rakes/entry fees).

[ike]

If they are correct that the money you won was stolen (or otherwise not-really-his) isn't it legitimate for them to want it back? I know I'd still be furious, but giving it back may be doing the right thing. Or maybe its partypoker's fault and if anyone loses money here it should be them. I don't know. Some other opinions on this?

[Nightwish]

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As far as why they wouldnt just use the account transfer function to move money around, this creates a record which can be used for tax purposes (costing you money if you report it, or trouble if you dont report it and get audited). If you lose the money in a game, it goes down in your file as a gambling loss, which is actually a tax deduction.

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Ummm.....my guess is that the scumbags who collude and then proceed to dump chips to each other probably aren't too keen on reporting gambling income on their tax returns. And Party doesn't care about tax returns either. From Party's perspective, they're worried that stealthguy is either using a stolen credit card or obtained the money in that account in some other way that will ultimately cost them. And that's it.

[bobbyi]

If he plays the way you describe, I think you should four-bet the turn with your overpair, especially given how many potential draws there are for him to be on with this board.

[DcifrThs]

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If they are correct that the money you won was stolen (or otherwise not-really-his) isn't it legitimate for them to want it back? I know I'd still be furious, but giving it back may be doing the right thing. Or maybe its partypoker's fault and if anyone loses money here it should be them. I don't know. Some other opinions on this?

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i see what you're saying but consider this: party poker provides a platform for all to play poker. the assumption is that all players are equally free to win or lose money based on playing poker. if party poker can no longer provide that platform, whose fault is it? where does the source of restitution lie? it lies directly with the company that supplies the platform i.e. party poker.

Somebody lost money playing poker. if party allowed that person to lose money playing poker when that money was not really theirs then its on party to replace any transfered sum to the beneficiary of said heads up game. he should not have been playing poker in the first place (i.e. ill gotten money or "otherwise not-really-his"). but now that the "transaction" is complete, party has no right to take what you won based on their mistakes.

that is my opinion.
-Barron

[TxSteve]

I once had a situation at a full 5/10 table (i think) where there was obvious chip dumping/colluding going on between 2 players raising re-raising, etc.

I only played about 3 hands with those guys, but won one of them with some sort of weak flush for something like 30BB.

I also reported them and sent in several hand histories as they were obviously cheating.

I actually got a very thorough report back from Party explaining explaining in detail what their research had shown. 1 of the players had funded his account with a stolen credit card. The other had been playing at party for a few weeks i think. The guy who wrote me the email actually said these were 2 of the dumbest cheaters he'd ever seen.

Anyway, I got a 50$ reward for ratting out the cheaters, they both got their accounts closed, and I got to keep the money I won from them, even though that money was "stolen" money originally.

That was my experience anyway. I may be a bit hazy on the details...but I posted all about this in the Internet forum when it happened several months ago.

[Poker blog]

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Go to law school, then come back after 6 years and contact them :P

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law school is only 3 years.