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Old 06-10-2005, 11:39 AM
damaniac damaniac is offline
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Default Re: KJ from the BB- UTG won\'t go away

I haven't played enough 3/6 to have a feel for what the "average player" does, but at 2/4 and down you're just as likely if not more so to see top pair call you down. Likewise with a turned overcard. As it is, those can be costly sometimes, raising a turned or rivered overcard that pairs you up, so sometimes people just keep calling.
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Old 06-10-2005, 11:48 AM
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Default Re: KJ from the BB- UTG won\'t go away

definitely Bet/Call. Players you could induce to bluff may try the bluff-raise anyway.
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Old 06-10-2005, 11:50 AM
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Default Re: KJ from the BB- UTG won\'t go away

Value bet.....value value valllluuuue bet.
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Old 06-10-2005, 11:57 AM
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Default Re: KJ from the BB- UTG won\'t go away

Also, what's the plan if you bet and get raised on the river? Crying call?
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Old 06-10-2005, 11:59 AM
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Default Re: KJ from the BB- UTG won\'t go away

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Also, what's the plan if you bet and get raised on the river? Crying call?

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bet/call. yawn.

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Old 06-10-2005, 12:32 PM
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bet/call. yawn.

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Are you trying to tell me something? If you don't care or find it boring, why saying anything at all?
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Old 06-10-2005, 01:09 PM
Emoney Emoney is offline
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Default Re: KJ from the BB- UTG won\'t go away

i'm telling you what the play is, and that it's fairly standard. i cared enough to answer.
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Old 06-10-2005, 02:17 PM
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i'm telling you what the play is, and that it's fairly standard. i cared enough to answer.

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Actually it's standard if the board doesn't pair on the river. It's not exactly standard given that villan is likely holding a ten if you cared to actually look at the hand on each street.

If you're trying to tell me not to post a hand because you believe it's standard, why not just say that?
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Old 06-10-2005, 02:44 PM
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Default Re: KJ from the BB- UTG won\'t go away

i read the hand. you're reading too much into the comments. you got the answers you were looking for right?
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Old 06-10-2005, 02:55 PM
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i read the hand. you're reading too much into the comments. you got the answers you were looking for right?

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Not really. I am surprised no one could even consider checking the river here. When the 10 came out on the river, I ended up check / calling, because after replaying the hand in my head, it seemed very likely he could be holding a 10. I had to call given the pot size and the possibility he was bluffing or somehow had a weaker hand. He showed me AT.

All I was saying before is that if you feel the post is a "yawn", please don't bother replying. Your time is more valuable than to have to reply to boring posts anyway. I was looking for insight from anyone who might be interested, not to be told that the hand appeared to be standard and boring.

I am not trying to be offensive/combative in any way here. Sorry if I came off that way.
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