"Can you at least tell me what you had?"

#1 11-03-2005, 12:31 PM

Why does Tiffany care what the Sheik had?

I'm just trying to picture Ferguson or Helmuth pleading, "Please tell me what you had" after they fold to a push.

SonicReducer · #2 11-03-2005, 12:37 PM

I agree with him not showing. After all her drama, you want to see them, pay.

Miles Ahead · #3 11-03-2005, 02:00 PM

She was doing a lot of acting there, in my opinion.

I still can't believe she's so bad that she was seriously contemplating a call.

The whole "Damn it" thing when the clock ran out seemed really forced. The question seemed forced as well. It seemed to me that she was trying to convince him that she had laid down an absolute monster hand (maybe hoping to get someone to think that she could be pushed off of just about any hand and thereby induce a bluff when she did raise with a monster hand).

Maybe I'm giving her too much credit, but it really did seem like she was acting.

Sightless · #4 11-03-2005, 02:23 PM

even if it was acting it seemed just very bad and ackward

transmitt · #5 11-03-2005, 02:31 PM

I think you are giving too much credit..If she was acting as part of some mastermind plan she wouldn't call the sheik later with a baby ace and call Raymer w/ AJ. It amazes me she made it that far in the tournament.

TheBob · #6 11-04-2005, 08:40 AM

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I think you are giving too much credit..If she was acting as part of some mastermind plan she wouldn't call the sheik later with a baby ace and call Raymer w/ AJ. It amazes me she made it that far in the tournament.

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She didn't call the sheik with the baby ace she pushed on him. Big difference.

#7 11-04-2005, 11:07 AM

Her shove was still terrible. She didnt have enough chips to get Sheik off his hand. The AJ thing was great too, the way she went over the action before Raymer. "Raise, reraise allin, AJo is prob best......" [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

#8 11-04-2005, 01:01 PM

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I agree with him not showing. After all her drama, you want to see them, pay.

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Actually, I don't think that's the FULL reason why he didn't show her his hand.

This as remember, she layed down her hand in the end. If he had showed her the pocket A's, then it would of given her confidence that her laydown was correct.

Remember, the reason WHY IMO, she took so long to make up her mind, was that she thought perhaps he MIGHT be trying to get over on her, as the many pro's had tried to do to her the first few days of the event.

illegit · #9 11-04-2005, 01:20 PM

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I agree with him not showing. After all her drama, you want to see them, pay.

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Actually, I don't think that's the FULL reason why he didn't show her his hand.

This as remember, she layed down her hand in the end. If he had showed her the pocket A's, then it would of given her confidence that her laydown was correct.

Remember, the reason WHY IMO, she took so long to make up her mind, was that she thought perhaps he MIGHT be trying to get over on her, as the many pro's had tried to do to her the first few days of the event.

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He could have been making a move with A2, KQ or 33 and still had the best hand. Instamuck with not even half a second of thought necessary. Literally.

#10 11-04-2005, 01:33 PM

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I agree with him not showing. After all her drama, you want to see them, pay.

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Actually, I don't think that's the FULL reason why he didn't show her his hand.

This as remember, she layed down her hand in the end. If he had showed her the pocket A's, then it would of given her confidence that her laydown was correct.

Remember, the reason WHY IMO, she took so long to make up her mind, was that she thought perhaps he MIGHT be trying to get over on her, as the many pro's had tried to do to her the first few days of the event.

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He could have been making a move with A2, KQ or 33 and still had the best hand. Instamuck with not even half a second of thought necessary. Literally.

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Not a second of thought needed .. perhaps for someone who's played for a while.

However, remember, we already know that the Pro's toyed with her the first few days.

Sometimes it NOT a good thing to show bluffs to those new to poker. From the good point of view, it's good because they will call more hands than other wise. From the BAD point of view [img]/images/graemlins/cool.gif[/img] they will then call more hands than other wise (thus perhaps allowing for them to suck you out).

As for the hand in question, we already KNEW that he had AA in the pocket because they showed his hand on TV.

From her voice, you could tell she was still questioning her laydown, wondering if he was trying to push her out of the pot with a valid hand, or if he had a real hand.

Why then, give her confirmation, that her laydown was a good one (even if it took a while for her to lay it down), and build her confidence for later on?

As for taking so long, well, why did he wait 20 minutes then, BEFORE he called the clock on her? Why didn't anyone ELSE at the table call a clock on her either?

I don't see anyone else pointing that out either. Personally, the MAX I EVER give someone in a tournament, is 5 min before I call the clock on them, be it I'm in the hand or not, and even THAT is pushing it timewise.

The players at that table need to suck it up and take responsiblity as well for the delay, since it was THEY who didn't call a clock on her sooner.

I mean after all, isn't it all part of poker as well, to take ALL the advantages that our opponents give to us, and use them AGAINST them in a tournament?

IMO, she was taking FULL advantage of the situation, and using it for HER best interests. Kudo's to her if just for THAT very fact alone (considering what was best for HER and NOT what was best for everyone else).