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#11
09-21-2005, 12:32 PM
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Re: TT in a giant pot
straightforward 'wait-for-the-turn' raise scenario? Unless utg has AK of diamonds, though, you don't seem to be in very good shape. Still, the pot is way too big to fold an overpair, so I like raising.
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#12
09-21-2005, 12:40 PM
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Re: TT in a giant pot
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straightforward 'wait-for-the-turn' raise scenario? [/ QUOTE ] I think it is not straightforward b/c we are very likely behind UTG. Shillx made some very nice posts about this down in Micros, and I have come to agree with him. Basically why try to protect our hand from the people behind us if UTG has AA. We want them padding the pot if our hand happens to be good, on the chance that UTG (like A [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]K [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] or something) is betting a hand we beat.
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#14
09-21-2005, 12:55 PM
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Re: TT in a giant pot
Why no flop raise?
Given the line you took, I think you have to raise the turn. If 3-bet I call down from there. It's very difficulth though, since you're likely up against an overpair or AKs. Regardless, you need to get to showdown, but it would be preferable to do so without so many people coming along (I'd hate to see johnny calling station make a crappy straight given this board).
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#15
09-21-2005, 12:56 PM
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Re: TT in a giant pot
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[ QUOTE ] on the chance that AA is betting a hand we beat. [/ QUOTE ] Care to clarify this statement? [/ QUOTE ] Changed it. Not sure if the line right or wrong, just wanted to see what people think. More of a case can be made for a raise if UTG is kind of passive and will allow us to take a showdown UI. But based on the preflop action, if UTG is good, and likely knows we have an overpair, so if he does have AA or KK I think we are getting 3 bet. So who knows, online 2/4 I'm seeing a showdown against an unknown but want to do it as cheaply as possible. In this case I might be able to find a fold. FWIW I raise the flop as I think it makes this decision a lot easier.
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#16
09-21-2005, 12:58 PM
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Re: TT in a giant pot
Yes, those are some good points, and I'm certainly open to changing my mind about raising this turn. I just wonder if this is one of those cases where calling is worse than raising or folding.
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#17
09-21-2005, 01:01 PM
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Re: TT in a giant pot
Here is a link to Shillx's posts in response to a hand I posted that is very similar to the one in OP.
Link to Shillx's posts
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#18
09-21-2005, 02:37 PM
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Re: TT in a giant pot
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Here is a link to Shillx's posts in response to a hand I posted that is very similar to the one in OP. Link to Shillx's posts [/ QUOTE ] thanks for the link. I called down and lost to KK.
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#19
09-21-2005, 05:27 PM
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Re: TT in a giant pot
So I put some more thought into this hand. After he 4-bets preflop and leads two streets I think we're looking at
AK[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] - 1 combo AA - 6 combos KK - 6 combos QQ - 6 combos so it's 18:1 that we're losing and a turn fold is prudent.
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