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Old 11-28-2005, 08:20 PM
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Default river raise

no read.

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Preflop: Hero is CO with K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, SB calls, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>.

Flop: (5 SB) 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
SB checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, SB calls.

Turn: (3.50 BB) 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
SB checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, SB calls.

River: (5.50 BB) T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">SB bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>,

meh?

i intend to fold to a 3bet.
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Old 11-28-2005, 08:27 PM
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Default Re: river raise

I'm not sure. Will a pp or smaller pair fold here?

I'd rather see what he has and make a note on him.
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Old 11-28-2005, 08:27 PM
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What do you think will call the raise that you beat? I don't like it. You open yourself up to being 3-bet by better hands, while folding out stuff you beat. Your hand has showdown value, so see a showdown. You're not extracting another BB from enough hands that you beat here to make it worthwhile.
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Old 11-28-2005, 08:29 PM
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Default Re: river raise

Call the river.
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Old 11-28-2005, 08:31 PM
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Default Re: river raise

not liking it against an unknown
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Old 11-28-2005, 08:32 PM
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Default Re: river raise

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Old 11-28-2005, 08:36 PM
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Default Re: river raise

I think most of the time you will produce a fold here. However,if he does call most of the hands that will call your raise I believe you beat. If you get 3-bet you can fold. I think the likely hood that your opponent grins and calls at this level outweighs the possiblity of you being 3-bet by a bd flush or TT.
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Old 11-28-2005, 08:46 PM
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Default Re: river raise

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what exactly don't you like.
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Old 11-28-2005, 08:52 PM
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Default Re: river raise

Further, the only likely holding that I think that your opponent will call your raise with and beat you is KT (okay maybe a weakly bd flush) . The issue here IMO is not how likely it is that he will call your raise, but how likely it is you will win when you do raise and he calls. I think the latter is very high. So what's going to happen is
1) You will probably fold a lot of hands.
2)If you do get called you will probably win
3)If you get 3-bet your toast and you can fold.
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Old 11-28-2005, 08:55 PM
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Default Re: river raise

"Call the river."

i would appreciate more than this. not so much for my sake, but i really don't want to see this forum goto crap.

anyway, don't you think a big hand like a flush, straight, or trips check raises the river?
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