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Old 12-15-2005, 05:43 PM
1C5 1C5 is offline
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Default Re: First time I thought about laying down Kings preflop

If Harrington doesn't lie and says he is not good enough to ever fold KK PF (or have a good enough read, I forget how the said it), and you have folded them in $22 SnGs twice on the last week, you may be giving opponents too much credit. (Even good oponents)
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Old 12-15-2005, 05:50 PM
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Wow, 6/4 is tight even for a 10-tabler. It probably means he's not making a lot of fancy plays early on... Still, this seems like the extreme case (no read on the raiser, super-tight reraiser) and I still can't convince myself the pure AA read is correct enough of the time to make me lay down KK preflop in an 800-chip Party SNG.
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Old 12-15-2005, 06:45 PM
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Ship it! I thought that you posted this because you ended up calling and he didnt have AA, and were going to give a lecture on how to always call! Despite that I stood by my guns and said I'd fold and was correct. Some people telegraph AA so badly that if they ever do when Im at the table, I will fold KK, and there is really no way they can use this information to specifically take advantage of me.

For the most part I can predict when someone has AA-KK for sure with a very high accuracy. What I mean is that when Im super confident that a player has it, Im usually correct. This always has to be a player that I know is solid/good, because random players do crazy min raises with 65s.
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Old 12-15-2005, 07:08 PM
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Default Re: First time I thought about laying down Kings preflop

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If Harrington doesn't lie and says he is not good enough to ever fold KK PF (or have a good enough read, I forget how the said it), and you have folded them in $22 SnGs twice on the last week, you may be giving opponents too much credit. (Even good oponents)

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I am sure Harrington is lying and has folded KK preflop many times.
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Old 12-15-2005, 07:22 PM
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Haha, probably.
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Old 12-15-2005, 07:23 PM
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Default Re: First time I thought about laying down Kings preflop

I will be a better player when I can say I can fold KK PF.

The problem is, when I want to fold, they often have AA like I thought, but at least 50% of the time, they have AK, QQ or worse.

So, I guess my read has to be really, really right to consider folding.
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Old 12-15-2005, 07:27 PM
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The problem is, when I want to fold, they often have AA like I thought, but at least 50% of the time, they have AK, QQ or worse.


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More like 75% and I'd shoot that hand range to AQo in the 22s. I remember reading somewhere that the most common hand for people busting out of the ME on day 1 was KK, or that was the perception.
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Old 12-15-2005, 07:29 PM
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Has anyone except maybe Hellmuth ever made a televised fold of KK preflop?
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Old 12-15-2005, 09:42 PM
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I have to admit, that it's kind of cool to think that I could laydown KK preflop in a situation like this. It's too bad I have yet to have the balls to do so.

Ilya, are you quasi?
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Old 12-15-2005, 09:49 PM
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I have to admit, that it's kind of cool to think that I could laydown KK preflop in a situation like this. It's too bad I have yet to have the balls to do so.

Ilya, are you quasi?

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I thought exactly the same thing when I read his post [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]
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