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Old 12-15-2005, 04:01 AM
Scuba Chuck Scuba Chuck is offline
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Default First time I thought about laying down Kings preflop

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#Game No : 3203757646
***** Hand History for Game 3203757646 *****
NL Texas Hold'em $30 Buy-in + $3 Entry Fee Trny:18292789 Level:2 Blinds(15/30) - Thursday, December 15, 01:55:15 EDT 2005
Table Table 67469 (Real Money)
Seat 8 is the button
Total number of players : 9
Seat 1: AAAMAN1 ( $1035 )
Seat 2: BettaFold110 ( $2005 )
Seat 3: QuasiFiction ( $725 )
Seat 5: Scuba_Chuck ( $800 )
Seat 6: underpar24 ( $865 )
Seat 7: Deevilicious ( $425 )
Seat 8: LuckyAustin4 ( $835 )
Seat 9: CartmansMom ( $385 )
Seat 10: jsa714 ( $925 )
Trny:18292789 Level:2
Blinds(15/30)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to Scuba_Chuck [ Kc Kd ]
AAAMAN1 raises [85].
BettaFold110 folds.
QuasiFiction raises [200].
Scuba_Chuck .....

Just in case any of you don't know, QuasiFiction is #4 on the leaderboard, and he plays the $33s (I'm guessing a ton).
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Old 12-15-2005, 04:08 AM
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Default Re: First time I thought about laying down Kings preflop

It's fine to think this, but it's probably a bad idea to actually fold. It could just as easily be QQ.
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Old 12-15-2005, 04:12 AM
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Default Re: First time I thought about laying down Kings preflop

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It's fine to think this, but it's probably a bad idea to actually fold. It could just as easily be QQ.

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His range is what?
I'm what against his range?

(Furthermore, which I know this is never correct to do, but my instincts were that he had AA/KK here).
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Old 12-15-2005, 04:15 AM
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Default Re: First time I thought about laying down Kings preflop

I suppose his range would be AA-QQ and possibly AK? Those are the only hands I would consider raising to 200 with.
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Old 12-15-2005, 04:16 AM
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I suppose his range would be AA-QQ and possibly AK? Those are the only hands I would consider raising to 200 with.

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Well, I'm certain, not positive, but I'm pretty damn certain, AK is not in that range here. Splash, you play more aggressive with AK than others. I've seen that out of you.
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Old 12-15-2005, 04:17 AM
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I suppose his range would be AA-QQ and possibly AK? Those are the only hands I would consider raising to 200 with.

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Well, I'm certain, not positive, but I'm pretty damn certain, AK is not in that range here. Splash, you play more aggressive with AK than others. I've seen that out of you.

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Yea...depends on what mood I'm in, haha. I don't know if my aggressiveness is a good thing or a leak though.
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Old 12-15-2005, 04:18 AM
Slim Pickens Slim Pickens is offline
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I'd say the raiser's range really depends on AAAMAN's profile so far. Against a super-LAG, my reraising range could be as loose as AJs+,AQo+,99+. KK plays pretty well against that. On the other hand, if the original raiser is a tightish player, my overcalling range could be as tight as AA/KK only, and even KK would make me stop to think.
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Old 12-15-2005, 04:20 AM
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I'd say the raiser's range really depends on AAAMAN's profile so far. Against a super-LAG, my reraising range could be as loose as AJs+,AQo+,99+. KK plays pretty well against that. On the other hand, if the original raiser is a tightish player, my overcalling range could be as tight as AA/KK only, and even KK would make me stop to think.

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Wow, that is one huge range. You really think he'd reraise with 99 or AJs? I wouldn't even open raise those hands at this level.
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Old 12-15-2005, 04:23 AM
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Default Re: First time I thought about laying down Kings preflop

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It's fine to think this, but it's probably a bad idea to actually fold. It could just as easily be QQ.

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I'm bored tonight and pissed off due to my own mental lapse so I'm gonna flame somebody and it may as well be you (sorry):

No, it can't be QQ. What good player does this near minimum pot odds reraise crap with QQ? Give me a break.

It miiiiight be AK (I've seen it played this way as sort of a semibluff) or little to nothing if he decided he wanted 85 chips. (I'm not saying there's a good chance of that, I'm saying it's theoretically possible.) But it's not QQ unless he misclicked.

I'm probably not folding this, BTW.

edit: 99? 99??? Come ON, he's number 4 on the leaderboard and you think he makes an 85 chip bet 200 with 99?
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Old 12-15-2005, 04:27 AM
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Default Re: First time I thought about laying down Kings preflop

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Stupid converter...

#Game No : 3203757646
***** Hand History for Game 3203757646 *****
NL Texas Hold'em $30 Buy-in + $3 Entry Fee Trny:18292789 Level:2 Blinds(15/30) - Thursday, December 15, 01:55:15 EDT 2005
Table Table 67469 (Real Money)
Seat 8 is the button
Total number of players : 9
Seat 1: AAAMAN1 ( $1035 )
Seat 2: BettaFold110 ( $2005 )
Seat 3: QuasiFiction ( $725 )
Seat 5: Scuba_Chuck ( $800 )
Seat 6: underpar24 ( $865 )
Seat 7: Deevilicious ( $425 )
Seat 8: LuckyAustin4 ( $835 )
Seat 9: CartmansMom ( $385 )
Seat 10: jsa714 ( $925 )
Trny:18292789 Level:2
Blinds(15/30)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to Scuba_Chuck [ Kc Kd ]
AAAMAN1 raises [85].
BettaFold110 folds.
QuasiFiction raises [200].
Scuba_Chuck .....

Just in case any of you don't know, QuasiFiction is #4 on the leaderboard, and he plays the $33s (I'm guessing a ton).

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Quasi is definitely one of the better players in the 33s. I'd put his range here at AA-mayyyyyybeQQ, sometimes AK, although I'd have to look through my db to see how he's played AK in the past. I'm never folding KK on lvl 2 of an 800 chip game, so I don't think it really matters.
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