All in before the flop. Didn't need to be.

[schroedy]

I am not offended. Of course I have a lot to learn.

And so, I wager, do you.

I posted the question, because I wanted to explore the possibility of doing something like raising around 1/2 of the size of the smaller (1/4 of mine) stacks to probe.

But in response to the other poster who asked, if Big Stack had pushed, would I have called, I think yes, so that is my answer.

I still wonder if I am too anxious to get all in because of too much experience at 1 table sit 'n go's. AA may not be a good example, but in general my pre-flop reads are pretty good and I am getting in with the best, and out of the way otherwise. I think I am just getting in too much (or getting unlucky for a while here, or having too highly inflated expectations).

[Seether]

You lost as an 8 to 1 favorite, dont whine. You made the right play and did all you could. What would a raise do? If they push do you fold the preflop nuts? Come on, be realistic here.

[schroedy]

suppose we get to a flop? where I see a coordinated board. Then I can get away and still be in the tournament. The question has to do with the value of doubling up (or stealing the limp bets) versus the risk of breaking? I am not sure that the answer is as obvious as some want to make it, given that the value of each additional tournament chip is lower and lower as you accumulate chips.

[adanthar]

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suppose we get to a flop? where I see a coordinated board. Then I can get away and still be in the tournament.

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or, you could push as a 4:1 favorite, get called and double up 80% of the time

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I am not sure that the answer is as obvious as some want to make it, given that the value of each additional tournament chip is lower and lower as you accumulate chips.

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baaaaaaaad beeeeeaaaaaatttttt

[floppy]

I ran into something similar last week (my KK lost to TT), and I think the answer is that to only way to avoid going out like this is to have the larger stack to begin with. (In my particular case, there were a bunch of limpers, I raise on the button, and TT decided to get clever, pushing everyone out but me, where I had about 1/2 his stack, but the same idea applies. If I had an equal stack to TT, he's less likely to try this)

So, instead of figuring out this particular hand, I'm thinking about the other hands where I could have made more/not lost as much.

[schroedy]

For some reason, I am happier calling the all in with AA or KK and busting, than pushing with these hands and busting.

That is not to make any theoretical point, but merely to confess an intuitive sensation. I feel like I must defend with the best hand, even against a larger stack, but I wonder if strategically, I should be being more careful about initiating confrontation with a larger stack.

I think David S. has something about this in his tournament book but I can't find it right now. (The line I am thinking about is something like, "If your opponent calls he hurts himself. Of course, he hurts you even more, but unless he is the sort of fellow that would cut off his nose to spite his face, he won't do it" [n.b. -- play some tournaments on Party, David].

[willie]

yeah you want to be all in there....

you're #1 in chips if you drag that pot.

and you're a huge favorite---what about this situation do you find unfavorable?