Poker Etiquette and putting people on tilt

[jkamowitz]

I just returned from a 60 hour session at foxwoods casino playing 10-20 for the entire time. Strangely enough I only played at 3 tables but at each table I got into the same argument. People were getting mad at me because I was purposely putting people on tilt.
Ex. Hand 1.
Hero is mp3 and open raises with 88
Button, an older man who was frustrated three bets
everyone folds hero calls
flop 10 2 10
hero checks
button bets
hero calls
turn 8
hero checks button betes
hero raises button calls
river A hero bets button calls and says "jack"
I turn over my full house and win and say "i thought i was ahead on the flop"

and he went off steaming! saying that was a rude thing to say and whatnot. we got into an argument that i was not there to make friends and that he was upset that I read him correctly.

The younger players seemed to side with me while the older men just got more and more upset and often would leave my table and go to another one.

ex. 2
I cold called a typical players raise with 4h5h and after a flop of 6h7d8h i won a decent pot from an older man.
He said "what?? why'd you call with 45??"
I responded "to put you on tilt"
and he got more upset.

ex. 3
After beating a man in a pot he remarked "it's not good to take advantage of people when they're down."
and i replied "well when's a good time to take advantage of them then" and he called me an a!!hole and threatened to slug me.

I guess I am an a!!hole at the table but I can't understand why it is a bad idea to be putting people on tilt. To me there's nothing better than an entire table out to get me calling bets with marginal hands only to crack me. But time and time again people were condemning me. Any thoughts?

[bones]

If you're gonna cold-call with 45, feel free to come to my table and put me on tilt.

[chesspain]

Hands 1 & 2: There really is no reason to say anything--just take your chips. Unless you want to see how being a dick can break up a perfectly profitable table.

Hand 3: Now that was funny--and I would've called over the floor if you think anyone else heard him threaten you.

[onegymrat]

Hi J,

I'm glad you had favorable results as far as the hands are concerned, however, I've never agreed with the term "put players on tilt." I've always maintained that weak players allow themselves to "tilt", and is just a small byproduct of your loose play.

If that's your style to irritate people after raking a pot and it gives you pleasure, by all means, do it. After all, this is still a game, and you should fully enjoy every aspect of it. But Chesspain said it well when he mentioned that doing so will drive out your profits. So think about what is more important to you. Good luck.

[JackWilson]

I'm all for using whatever psychological approach to gain an edge in a game. If you feel you gain this edge by being "rude" to players and putting them on tilt, I think you should exploit it.

I don't think anything you did could be considered "crossing the line."

[Kumubou]

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I'm all for using whatever psychological approach to gain an edge in a game. If you feel you gain this edge by being "rude" to players and putting them on tilt, I think you should exploit it.

I don't think anything you did could be considered "crossing the line."

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The problem is this carries the real-world risk of something called "getting punched in the face."

Half-jokes aside, there are other issues that make being a rude ass at a poker table -EV. Most players there are just looking to enjoy themselves -- gamble it up, take down some random pots, and oogle the waitstaff while they get sloshed. Doing things to piss these people off ususally results in having them get up and leave. Even if they don't leave, typically if you kill the light atmosphere, everyone tends to tighten up, which makes your life harder.

I'm all for extracting every edge you can in a game, but being a jerk does not get it done.

-K

[jkamowitz]

Thanks one, i have had many responses and yours is the one that made the most sense to me. Clearly and I have noticed the stronger players do not tilt as much as the weaker ones. and because of this I have not been as affective towardsd them and in turn gain respect for them. I appreciate your comments and good luck to you as well.

[jimymat]

get a clue. honestly.

[tylerdurden]

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the older men just got more and more upset and often would leave my table and go to another one.

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If your goal is to piss people off, then you've succeeded. If your goal is to get more of their money by pissing them off, you've failed. If you run them off you can't get their money.

[Piers]

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People were getting mad at me because I was purposely putting people on tilt.


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