Screw collusion...THIS is the problem online.... - Page 7

AngryCola · #61 02-07-2005, 03:45 PM

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I said this in another thread a couple weeks ago, but what do you think the reaction of all the fishies would be if party put out a mass email telling them that people are using this program against them without their knowledge.

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Thankfully, party is not in the habit of distributing fish information which would make their games better.

Again, all of this info. can be used by anyone.

HRFats · #62 02-07-2005, 03:47 PM

People are simply using the data that PP send to them. The data is available to everyone. Most choose to ignore it or don't know how to use it. Those players need to do a little learning and studying. But they choose to play before learning what information is available to them.

AngryCola · #63 02-07-2005, 03:48 PM

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I would guess it is a secret to about 99% of the people playing.

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So is the fact that you can know the hand of someone who mucks after calling a bet on the river.

Party doesn't announce that fact to anyone, AND it's a part of their software.

golFUR · #64 02-07-2005, 03:49 PM

I can see the logic you used in formulating your view. It isn't so much 'wrong', as other posters claim, as it is not helpful.

Consider an old football player exclaiming, after the Super Bowl, "Well, it was a good game but I wouldn't call it football. Did you see all them pads and helmets?! Football players don't wear helmets!"

They do now...

Sure, stat trackers might violate one 'spirit' of the game, but the main spirit is still in tact - Earn Money. And as you have noted already, you can still play on a level playing field at a B&M.

Just consider where you draw the lines. If I invest a year of my life learning to use my mind and memory in ways nobody else does?... - What about savants who need no special training? Photographic memory or the like - Does a person who learns short hand have an advantage over someone who just takes notes in long hand?

You go to the trouble of playing on multiple sites under multiple aliases to avoid being tracked. You keep notes on your own but refuse to use software that will keep better notes... So, you appreciate notes and feel they are valid, you just don't appreciate people who use software to build their notes. Would it be 'fair' if I wrote down all the hands and results in my own special short hand, then after the game I hand wrote all sorts of summaries and graphs? which I'd then use in my next session of course...

I'm restating the same thing a few different ways. What it comes down to is, online poker is different than live poker and a smart players acknowledges that and works with it. Whether I compile my notes by hand or by software, the result is the same. It is the results that count.

I take my car to a mechanic, my neighbor works on his own car. The result is we both can drive our cars. Perhaps his is more in 'spirit' with car ownership, big friggin deal, I can still drive.

golFUR · #65 02-07-2005, 03:51 PM

That nobody has placed it directly in front of you does not mean they are keeping it a secret from you. Just because 99% of the people playing have not walked through the Games section at Barnes & Noble and seen the books on poker strategy does not mean the library is being kept secret.

PoorLawyer · #66 02-07-2005, 03:53 PM

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I said this in another thread a couple weeks ago, but what do you think the reaction of all the fishies would be if party put out a mass email telling them that people are using this program against them without their knowledge.

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Thankfully, party is not in the habit of distributing fish information which would make their games better.

Again, all of this info. can be used by anyone.

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it has nothing to do with making the fish's game better. It has to do with you knowing how bad they are and their tendancies when they don't know yours. If they knew yours and ignored it, then so be it.
Yes, the info can be used by anyone. But do they know that info even exists on their hard drive? If they did, do they know that PT exists? If they did, should they be forced to shell out for it just to keep pace? (you do have to pay for the software right?) If they got it and saw how bad their play is, would they keep playing? stop playing? learn how not to play fishy anymore?
The ones that know about it and keep playing deserve to be eaten alive, but as to everyone else they are put at an unknowing and unfair disadvantage that goes beyone their poor play.

AngryCola · #67 02-07-2005, 03:57 PM

*sigh*

You're right, all the fish should be informed immediately.

I'll leave you in charge of that.

mmbt0ne · #68 02-07-2005, 03:58 PM

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I said this in another thread a couple weeks ago, but what do you think the reaction of all the fishies would be if party put out a mass email telling them that people are using this program against them without their knowledge.

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Well, it would probably be great for PT Pat's bankroll.

The fish know about poker books, but that doesn't seem to stop them from going into games unprepared. I think you overestimate how much the fish care. Many of them already think that bots infest the games (which, from the way you worded you last statement is what you seem to want them to think), but play anyway because that's what they want to do. People will play poker, people will lose at poker, and people will find something to blame it on. And you know what, they'll come right back anyway.

Rudbaeck · #69 02-07-2005, 04:03 PM

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How is the information getting on to the Party screen? I'm sure "none" of party's code was used/modified to make that happen.

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I know how it gets on screen, and it doesn't require the modification of any code in the party client. Simply put a transparent sheet is put over the poker window and these stats are then put on the sheet.

I have no problems winning live, but online I use the tools provide to me. I'm no luddite. And it's not like this allows me to bounce from a small loser to a 3BB/100hands winner. I estimate the worth of this HUD at about 0.5BB/100 for me. So if I had it in a casino I'd win another big bet every 6 hours.

Yes, another bet every 6 hours is obviously going to add up to a rather substantial amount, but no one who is otherwise a loser at poker will become good enough to make a living on it merely by using a tool like this.

Several posters on here have noted that for them having a HUD made no difference, what they made in better reads they lost on fancy play syndrome.

BottlesOf · #70 02-07-2005, 04:04 PM

Yes.