Showing when heads up all in?

Beezos · #1 02-01-2005, 12:12 PM

In a cash game, what is the ruling when you are heads up and one personal is all in? Last nite, I played with this girl at a local poker club, and she would not show unless she won the hand. Two of three time she lost and mucked. The other she showed her cards when she spiked a third jack to beat two pair on the river. Is that considered slow rolling? Is that against the rules or just poor etiquette? This chick was tough as balls, and liked to talk alot. She had some brass tackle. Definitely, an intimidating player. I dont know if the not showing part was part of her game and image etc... Any thoughts?

MediaPA · #2 02-01-2005, 12:19 PM

Someone please correct me if I'm wrong.

For a cash game: If she bets/raises all in, she has to show first at the river technically. If she calls all in, she can muck unseen.

The turn the cards up is a tournament ruling. I've been at casinos that have tried to make me turn over after going all in. I do it if I bet, I won't if I called.

Ghazban · #3 02-01-2005, 12:19 PM

You aren't required to show in this scenario in a cash game. Lots of people at low buyin games do because that's what they see on TV (I believe in many, if not all tournaments, you have to flip your cards over once there is an all-in and no more betting possible). Its not slow rolling or unethical any more than mucking after a winner is shown on the river in a non-allin pot.

swede123 · #4 02-01-2005, 12:21 PM

It depends on the poker room I imagine. I believe the standard rule for cash games says you DON'T have to show unless you want the pot. This is reinforced by most online rooms, where the cards of all-ins aren't revealed until showdown, with the loser being able to muck.

Cheers,

Swede

jar · #5 02-01-2005, 01:04 PM

I believe some poker rooms require both players to turn their cards up after a called all in. Many of the customers are there to play like on the teevee, so they set the rules to reinforce this. I think I remember reading that Bellagio does this in the baby NL.

PokerFink · #6 02-02-2005, 03:24 AM

I usually flip my cards up when I get all-in if I'm confident I'm ahead. I'm going to show eventually, might as well get a kick out watching people praying for their 2-outer when they see my cards [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

I guess I'm sorta sadistic like that.

Any2ForU · #7 02-02-2005, 03:39 AM

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I think I remember reading that Bellagio does this in the baby NL.

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The only reason The Bellagio does this is because that specific game is sponsored by the WPT and they have mandated that it be done (you'll also notice the WPT felt on those tables). Any other card rooms that do this in a cash game are doing so out of ignorance, or just a disregard for the generally accepted rules of the game. I don't know of any other rooms in Vegas doing that in there no limit cash games.

Pitch Pocket · #8 02-03-2005, 01:39 PM

I don't think you are required to turn your cards over on an all in. It is the one time you can other than at showdown.

However, you can ask the dealer to see any hand that calls a bet on the river. If you tell the dealer you want to see all hands, he/she will turn over each hand that has made the call. I would think that an all in bet would be the same as a call, so you should be able to ask the dealer to show her cards.

golFUR · #9 02-07-2005, 02:35 PM

I was under the impression, and my local casino has done nothing to dissuade me of the idea, that if you've paid to see em you can see em. When I am heads up, regardless of who bet and who called, if I'm pretty sure I've won I flip em up. If I know what my opponent was chasing I don't demand they flip em up... every now and then I get prickly though. Someone will make a move to muck after seeing my pocket and I'll ask the dealer to flip their cards up. I've paid for the priveledge.

Luv2DriveTT · #10 02-07-2005, 02:51 PM

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Actually, you have not. The rule is designed to stop collusion, and it was intended to allow other players at the table see the cards if they think it is taking place. Good card rooms require the floor to come over and approve each time the request is made, this way if the rule is being abused he or she has the ability to deny the request.

I suggest you read the (semi)official rules of Poker - Robert Rules. Do a google search, its actually filled with good info like this!

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