3/6, difficult turn decision with TP/NK

PantherZ · #1 12-17-2005, 03:33 AM

The villian is 44/24/1.09, but only through 25 hands, so those numbers are dubious.

Party Poker 3.00/6.00 Hold'em (6 handed) link

Preflop: Hero is UTG with T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
Hero raises, 2 folds, SB calls, BB calls.

Flop: (6.00 SB) 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (3 players)
SB checks, BB bets, Hero raises, SB folds, BB calls.

Turn: (5.00 BB) 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets, BB raises

Call down or fold?

JoshuaD · #2 12-17-2005, 03:38 AM

I don't raise JTs UTG, ever. The lowest I go is QJs, A8s, A9o, KJo. QJs depends on the table too.

This is one of those situations that sucks. I call down here because the board is awfully coordinated, and you've got no read on him.

I probably check behind the river if he checks it.

Trix · #3 12-17-2005, 03:39 AM

The standard line is to call down as you only need to be good around 20% to make money as you get 8:2.
He may have turned a draw, a pair or may just think he can move you off unimproved big cards.

JoshuaD · #4 12-17-2005, 03:41 AM

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The standard line is to call down as you only need to be good around 20% to make money as you get 8:2.
He may have turned a draw, a pair or may just think he can move you off unimproved big cards.

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What're you doing here if the board is completely rainbow? I get the feeling I should be folding there more often, but can't against unknowns.

PantherZ · #5 12-17-2005, 03:42 AM

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I don't raise JTs UTG, ever.

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I know there are different opinions on this, but I think it's OK to raise this UTG in a 6-max game. In this case, there was a player sitting out, so it was only 5-handed.

ArturiusX · #6 12-17-2005, 03:44 AM

We also have outs vs a lot of his hands he could have made too.

PokerSparky · #7 12-17-2005, 03:44 AM

I don't think you're good here very often. I call down here most of the time and hate myself when MHING.

Trix · #8 12-17-2005, 03:45 AM

I still call down, I may fold if I know the player.

JoshuaD · #9 12-17-2005, 03:45 AM

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I don't think you're good here very often. I call down here most of the time and hate myself when MHING.

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raze · #10 12-17-2005, 04:42 PM

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I don't raise JTs UTG, ever. The lowest I go is QJs, A8s, A9o, KJo. QJs depends on the table too.

This is one of those situations that sucks. I call down here because the board is awfully coordinated, and you've got no read on him.

I probably check behind the river if he checks it.

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How is the board awfully coordinated? At the turn there is no possible straight, no possible flush, and J9 aside 2pair is very unlikely (J3, J5, 95, 93, 53 ??) Fold because he only has AF = 1 and you shouldn't be there in the first place.