15/30 KJo

[DMBFan23]

9 handed Party 15/30, I'm at home so no pokertracker or anything. this table had a couple multiway pots in a row so I figured by my neanderthal method of table selection without a HUD, this was a good one.

anyways, I get red K [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] J [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] and open raise on the button. BB just calls.

scenario 1:
flop A [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 8 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 4 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], he checks I bet he calls

turn J [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] he checks I check?

scenario 2:
flop A [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 8 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 4 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], he checks I bet he calls

turn J [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] he checks I bet?

[Chief911]

No real draws on the board, so I'd probably check behind. If you think he is hijacking your [censored], call his river bet.

Nick

I like the check.

[DMBFan23]

Hi chief,

so in scenario 2 you favor a bet?

[CardSharpCook]

Checking isn't favorable in either situation. We have no good reason to put him on an ace. Donks do donkey things. Maybe he called the flop with NE2, maybe he called it with 89. Fine it is possible that he has an ace, but it is going to take a lot more than a call on the flop to get me to stop betting 2nd button.... Or to stop betting with king high.

[DMBFan23]

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Checking isn't favorable in either situation. We have no good reason to put him on an ace. Donks do donkey things. Maybe he called the flop with NE2, maybe he called it with 89. Fine it is possible that he has an ace, but it is going to take a lot more than a call on the flop to get me to stop betting 2nd button.... Or to stop betting with king high.

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if he called the flop with nothing, it's actually more of an argument to check, right?

Not really, unless you know he will lead the river with air if you check behind on the turn...which is what I was asking previously.

Can someone explain why checking is better than betting in either scenario? Are we assuming that BB will bet the river because you checked behind on the turn?

[StellarWind]

Recognize that most "air" hands on this flop like jacks. They either have one or it creates some sort of straight draw.

This is an uncomfortable situation. I bet to apply pressure to all the eights, jacks, pocket pairs, and straight draws. If he had an ace maybe he would have done something by now?

[Chief911]

Scenario 1:

I still think checking is the best solution. I dont think there is any VALUE to betting here. You bet, he folds, you win. Number of bets won/lost after the flop? 0

You bet he raises, and you fold. Number of bets won/lost? -1

You check, he bets a blank river, you call and your J is good (As you might suspect). Number of bets won/lost? +1

The other viable strategy here is to bet, and if you get raised by someone you think is BS'ing you, 3-bet them. Versus the right player, this will garner 2 bets with no showdown.

Nick