2 AA hands that made me feel like ****

NateDog · #1 12-20-2005, 10:09 PM

Against a flopped flush, set, 2 pr, whatever you think he has that's beating you on the turn. If hes got a K, well it happens. And there's still the chance that you've got him beat and he's donking off his stack.

BatsShadow · #2 12-20-2005, 10:13 PM

The raise on the flop had me leaning toward a K in his hand.

NateDog · #3 12-20-2005, 10:18 PM

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The raise on the flop had me leaning toward a K in his hand.

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Why? That's a pretty narrow group of holdings. If you think you are way behind, and are playing the hand that way, why not C/C down? You lead the river with the 2nd nuts and got raised. If your read is that he's got a K, why call the river raise, nevermind the 3 bet/cap scenario?

BatsShadow · #4 12-20-2005, 10:21 PM

Obviously, the river changed my mind slightly. I kind of started thinking more of value raises...I may be behind, but likely I'm not. Is that really bad thinking?

NateDog · #5 12-20-2005, 10:27 PM

No, I don't think so. I think you played it fine. And you have to be able to re-evaluate your hand strength as the hand progresses.

Honestly I didn't review your hand street by street, I looked at the whole thing then started thinking. That's not a fair analysis, and I apologize for that. I think there is a difference in looking at it as a whole in a vacuum, and correlating that to how the hand plays at live-speed. I'd probably have capped the river as well.

BatsShadow · #6 12-20-2005, 10:38 PM

Thanks for the vote of confidence.

#7 12-20-2005, 11:05 PM

Grunch
Hand 1
I fold the turn against a passive player. Even if he is loose, a true passive player is probably on the flush if he raises you you on the flop. Kings are certainly possible, but those diamonds make me ill, and when the second king comes up, I know I'm beat. - (edit: if I make it to the river, no way I'm folding the FH against potential quads, when I think he has the flush but I probably would have folded earlier, then kicked myself in the nuts, then gone on tilt and donked off my whole stack)

Hand 2 - I play it exactly like that but I call the river. One of them probably has a 7, but they didn't bet top pair on the flop or turn. 2 pair is a strong possibility, but you have them beat. No flush and a highly unlikely straight. Gotta call the river.

#8 12-20-2005, 11:51 PM

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The raise on the flop had me leaning toward a K in his hand.

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Then why didn't you RR? RR on the flop or betting out on the turn would have given you a much better idea of what he was holding. Your check on the turn could induce a bet from any holding.

#9 12-21-2005, 02:16 AM

hand 1 = nh

hand 2 = nh

BatsShadow · #10 12-21-2005, 02:28 PM

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Then why didn't you RR? RR on the flop or betting out on the turn would have given you a much better idea of what he was holding. Your check on the turn could induce a bet from any holding.

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I think I agree that 3-betting the flop would've revealed a bit more, but I think betting the turn is wrong. He either raises me again, or he goes into call down mode. I'm not getting him to fold better hand.

My thinking on each street as the hand played out:

pf: duh

flop: I bet, he raises. Hmm, he could have a flush, but he probably just has the K. I'll wait for a clean turn and then raise him again.

turn: Crap. <something like>Well, let's just see showdown cuz we are heads up.</something>

river: Cool, now he most likely doesn't have it. If not I win, and he's pretty much all in, let's push our edge.