All in hand - Three players with the nuts...

[Acesover8s]

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and I would want to know it was loaded and the person holding it to my head wasn't bluffing.

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Sometimes you just have to lay down a hand.

[autobet]

yes, but I don't think this hand is one of them

[Acesover8s]

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yes, but I don't think this hand is one of them

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Obviously not, but this one is:

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Eh, what? He has a runner-runner nut flush plus two higher straight redraws in addition to the current nuts. The only way I'm folding here is with a gun to my head.

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and I would want to know it was loaded and the person holding it to my head wasn't bluffing.

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[beernutz]

aces, I really respect your views on PLO and seriously don't consider myself worthy to argue with you. However, I can't tell if you are agreeing with me or not on the hand assesment or whether or not to fold it and I would really appreciate it if you could clarify.

My take, and please correct me if I'm wrong. The hand is the current nuts and has four higher straight outs (the non-club Ts and Ks make king-high and ace-high straights, respectively) as well as the runner-runner nut spade flush draw. I've seen a lot of people push, especially in these small buy-in games, with just the nut club draw and lower straights on this type of flop so to me folding is just about out of the question.

Am I a moron?

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yes, but I don't think this hand is one of them

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Obviously not, but this one is:

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Eh, what? He has a runner-runner nut flush plus two higher straight redraws in addition to the current nuts. The only way I'm folding here is with a gun to my head.

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and I would want to know it was loaded and the person holding it to my head wasn't bluffing.

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[autobet]

Yes, a lot of players will push the second nut straight or a set, so you are usually going to call.

There are two conditions to get off the hand: Your opp must have conservative raising requirements and the money must be deep.