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Old 04-07-2005, 03:53 PM
aflaba aflaba is offline
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Default Raise the river with half goods and fold to a threebet?

Player is TAG

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Preflop: Hero is Button with Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">BB 3-bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero caps</font>, BB calls.

OK, so he has a strong hand but not strong enough to cap

Flop: (8.40 SB) 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
BB checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, BB calls.

OK. Not a middle PP else he would have raised. Overcards? AX?

Turn: (5.20 BB) K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
BB checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">BB raises</font>, Hero calls.

Ah, that hit him. AK, KQ, (KJ)

River: (9.20 BB) 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">BB bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, <font color="#CC3333">BB 3-bets</font>, Hero calls.

OK. the river didn't go as planned. The plan was to fold to a threebet because that would mean he had AK. I abandoned the plan and called. It felt bad. Also it might have looked like a bluff because of the 6.

Final Pot: 15.20 BB

I should just have called right?
Raising + folding to a threebet bad?

Oh my, oh my, when will I stop sucking.
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Old 04-07-2005, 04:12 PM
Stupendous_Man Stupendous_Man is offline
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Default Re: Raise the river with half goods and fold to a threebet?

Given that BB is a TAG, showed aggression PF and then check-raised you on the turn, I think a call on the river is correct, not a 3-bet. You note that you think the K on the turn hit him and that A-K is a strong possibility (as is AA). You have TPGK, got check-raised when you hit that, and then BB bets into you on the river. The line looks more than just a blind defense.

IMO, that kind of line would indicate more of a LAG or a TAG who "thinks" he has a read on you that you'll lay down to a river 3-bet after being check-raised on the turn.
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Old 04-07-2005, 04:59 PM
aflaba aflaba is offline
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Default Re: Raise the river with half goods and fold to a threebet?

Yeah. I was trying to make more money the times I was ahead by raising the river.

But of course I'd have to be ahead more than 50% of the times for that to be correct. I clearly was behind more than 50% of the time.

Also he wouldn't call with all worse hands.
I apperantly couldn't fold to a 3-bet.

I would have to be ahead the vast majority of times for my play to be profitable. Bad.

I probably cost myself more than 1 BB on the river.

Tomorrow I'll start playing well!!!
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