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Old 12-26-2005, 08:23 PM
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Default Semibluff what to do with 86

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t200 (4 handed) converter

UTG (t3055)
Button (t3655)
SB (t5150)
Hero (t1640)

Preflop: Hero is BB with 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, Button calls t200, SB completes, Hero checks.

Flop: (t600) 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
SB checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets t350</font>, Button folds, <font color="#CC3333">SB raises to t4950</font>, Hero ???

Buttton is normal player, a little weak tight.
BB is pretty decent. A little tricky and pushed me off some hands with his big stack all in. I thought long and hard about this hand.

What hands can he have and whats your action?
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Old 12-26-2005, 08:23 PM
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Default Re: Semibluff what to do with 86

Uh...fold?
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Old 12-26-2005, 08:38 PM
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Default Re: Semibluff what to do with 86

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Uh...fold?

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EXCITING!!!

PS try semi-bluffing when you have a reasonable drawing hand.
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Old 12-26-2005, 08:40 PM
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Default Re: Semibluff what to do with 86

I'm really not trying to be a smart-ass..but am I missing something on this hand?
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Old 12-26-2005, 08:44 PM
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I'm really not trying to be a smart-ass..but am I missing something on this hand?

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No sorry I was just kidding around because folding is like the absolute only possible move here.
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Old 12-26-2005, 09:05 PM
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Default Re: Semibluff what to do with 86

On this flop what kind of hands is this guy check raising with?

Thats the real question I want to know here.

So take some time and answer the question and think about it instead of spewing crap.

He limped with a big pair 3 handed? no I dont think so.
He limped with a trash hand like 95 or 92?
He has T9? Why check raise and risk overs or giving the free card?
He has a set? Why check raise he is way ahead? Why not check call?

Please speculate? Tricky player, has pulled a few bluffs on players. Very aggressive. I am curiouse what hands would you do that with here?
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Old 12-26-2005, 09:57 PM
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Default Re: Semibluff what to do with 86

He probably doesn't have a big pair.
He could easily have limped with 95s or 92s or whatever.
People check-raise with top pair all the time. Who cares if it's a good play or not, he could have done it.
He probably doesn't have a set.
He could very easily have a PP here like TT-33.

There's nothing to think about. You made a suspect (but not terrible) semi-bluff (more like outright though, you only have a gutshot) and he raised you all-in. Are you hoping he has 7-high? If he's got A-high then you could be as good as a 2:1 dog, which is your absolute best case. Any other case has you drawing very slim, so I don't see why you're so interested in this hand.

EDIT: I could make the same play he did with a set, two pair, a strong 9, a PP 66 or better, a 5 with a decent kicker, etc. Nothing you've got a ghost of a chance at liking, but I'm not the villain.
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Old 12-26-2005, 10:06 PM
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Why would you even consider calling here? Even if he is bluffing, you can hardly expect to be winning. You're hoping to call to 4 outs. If you want, we can add the 3 8s, but I doubt it. So, best case, you're a 2:1 dog drawing to a gutshot against a bluff. Against a pair higher than 8s, you're drawing to 4 outs. No real evaluation needed. Even if he shows you a 7 high bluff, you made the right decision.
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Old 12-27-2005, 10:12 AM
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Default Re: Semibluff what to do with 86

Thanks. I just wanted to see someone else's perspective on this. Doesnt hurt to ask. I needed to see why the he would check raise because it didnt make sense to give 2 players a free card. I find I make more money betting (bluff or best hand).
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Old 12-27-2005, 10:38 AM
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Default Re: Semibluff what to do with 86

Your only option is to fold.

He could have any 2 here. He's the big stack completing from the SB. With his chipstack, I'd complete with any 2 and look for an opportunity to take any pot. He might not have bet out because he was worried about the odd play from the Button limping in 4 handed. Once the button folded to your bet, he's free to bluff away knowing that you'd only call with a good hand because you're on the bubble.

He could have hit any part of this flop or nothing at all, but you still have to fold because you have even less and might be drawing to 4 outs.
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