QQ - too weak?

Larimani · #1 08-20-2005, 12:27 PM

Should I be fireing a second barrel? third?

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em (NL$25) (6 handed) link

Button ($24.40)
SB ($16.50)
BB ($29.40)
UTG ($18.15)
Hero ($28.70)
CO ($25.12)

Preflop: Hero is MP with Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
1 folds, Hero raises to $1.00, CO calls $1.00, 3 folds.

Flop: ($2.35) 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero bets $3.00, CO calls $3.00.

Turn: ($8.35) 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero checks, CO checks.

River: ($8.35) J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero checks, CO checks.

Final Pot: $8.35.

GrunchCan · #2 08-20-2005, 12:38 PM

Raise more PF; make it 1.5.

I'll bet the turn. Fold to a raise. Check-something the river if called on the turn. something = fold/call depending on pot odds.

amoeba · #3 08-20-2005, 12:53 PM

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Raise more PF; make it 1.5.

I'll bet the turn. Fold to a raise. Check-something the river if called on the turn. something = fold/call depending on pot odds.

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betting the turn is retarded.this isn't limit. no worse hands will call then check down the river. they either call then fire the river making it tougher for you because pot is inflated due to your turn bet or they raise you on the turn with a worse hand because they are sure you don't have flush and you are betting the turn because you don't know what to do.

hero's line is fine. if villain loose passive and will call with more hands then he bets with, could consider value betting river.

Larimani · #4 08-20-2005, 12:57 PM

$1 = 4xBB... isn't 6xBB a bit excessive??

GrunchCan · #5 08-20-2005, 01:03 PM

check-fold the turn to any reasonable bet?

yvesaint · #6 08-20-2005, 01:05 PM

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check-fold the turn to any reasonable bet?

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Uhh, now that seems really weak. I check-call, if checked through, value bet river.

amoeba · #7 08-20-2005, 01:07 PM

decide how much you are willing to lose to look him up. decide whether he is capable of bluffing the flush with a worse made hand or pure bluff.

then check and call or check and fold based on these things. but betting out is no good. you'll only fold hands you beat if he is tight passive and get it taken away if he is aggressive.

I will say that most SSNL donks misplay the turned flush here and check behind.

GrunchCan · #8 08-20-2005, 01:07 PM

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$1 = 4xBB... isn't 6xBB a bit excessive??

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Not according to this.

yvesaint · #9 08-20-2005, 01:10 PM

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$1 = 4xBB... isn't 6xBB a bit excessive??

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Not according to this.

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It's still situational. At 6-max tables 100 NL, 6xBB is way too much, but it might work at a loose, passive, full-ring 25 NL. I think rather than following one rule for every pre-flop raise, you should be looking at the players on the table to see how much you should raise.

GrunchCan · #10 08-20-2005, 01:11 PM

Why is 6x too much at a 6max table?