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Old 09-18-2005, 02:07 AM
W. Deranged W. Deranged is offline
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Default Re: A6o TPTK vs tag oop

How often is a 15/8 capping this flop without:

1. An overpair.

2. A set.

3. A nut/big flush draw (probably + overcards).

"Not that often" is the correct answer.

You're getting a little above 7-2 to call down here, which I doubt you're getting. Even when ahead you're dodging tons of cards which might not be obvious.

I think folding here is fine. Check-raising this turn is really silly as simply calling down costs the same amount. Leading out on the turn and folding to a raise might be right against certain opponents but my guess is that it won't be here.

Remember: 15/8s don't enter UTG with crap! I think we'll see 77/88/99 or something like AdTd very often here.
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Old 09-18-2005, 02:55 AM
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Check-raising this turn is really silly as simply calling down costs the same amount.

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Old 09-18-2005, 03:16 AM
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Default Re: A6o TPTK vs tag oop

looks like villain has 555
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Old 09-18-2005, 03:40 AM
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You should check and call this turn and see what falls on the river, which will probably consist of betting out any diamond, ace or six and check folding offsuit blanks.

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Old 09-18-2005, 03:51 AM
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Default Re: A6o TPTK vs tag oop

check fold. most players aren't going to bet that type of flop too aggressively without a big draw or a set. imo, i think he flopped a set because he played the scary board so aggressively. the straight isn't really a possibility, but i think this would be a good laydown. if for some reason he checked the turn and a diamond came on the river, a check call would probably be appropriate.
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Old 09-18-2005, 04:36 AM
Nick C Nick C is offline
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Default Re: A6o TPTK vs tag oop

If he has a set, he can't have a diamond.

If he has an overpair, he might not have a diamond (and if he doesn't, you have lots of outs).

I'm checking and calling the turn. This doesn't commit me to calling down. I can still check-fold the river if I don't improve. Edit: However, annoyingly, this does possibly mean I'll be folding to 44/33 sometimes. In 50 hands, Villain hasn't done anything but bet and raise postflop, and I think those pairs are also possible holdings.
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Old 09-18-2005, 06:34 AM
kaidoy kaidoy is offline
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Default Re: A6o TPTK vs tag oop

Why 3bet the flop ?
because he could be taking a free card with overs??? I dont think we'll see that all that often in such a small pot..

I would just call the flop raise and bet-fold any turn that didnt improve my hand, that includes this turn IMO
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Old 09-18-2005, 08:32 PM
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Default Re: A6o TPTK vs tag oop

I don't get why some people like c/calling the turn and seeing a river - it would be nice if someone who suggested this to say what hand range they're putting villain on to justify getting past the turn
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