Two AKu hands

kaidoy · #1 09-12-2005, 02:39 PM

sorry, no reads

hand 1

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Preflop: Hero is Button with A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
5 folds, Hero raises, SB :#A500AF(Villain)/ 3-bets, 1 fold, Hero calls.

Flop: (7 SB) 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)
Villain bets, Hero raises, Villain 3-bets, Hero calls.

Turn: (6.50 BB) 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)
Villain bets, Hero folds.

Final Pot: 7.50 BB
Main Pot: 6.50 BB, won by Villain.
Pot 2: 1 BB, returned to Villain.

should I; cap pf, call this down??

hand 2

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Preflop: Hero is UTG with A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
Hero raises, 2 folds, SB calls, BB calls.

Flop: (6 SB) 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (3 players)
SB checks, BB checks, Hero bets, SB calls, BB calls.

Turn: (4.50 BB) 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (3 players)
SB checks, BB bets, Hero calls, SB folds.

River: (6.50 BB) 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
BB bets, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 8.50 BB
Main Pot: 8.50 BB, between BB and Hero.

is this call down ok ?

#2 09-12-2005, 02:43 PM

Hand 1

Not really sure I do tend to do the cap PF/call down here

Hand 2

Fold the turn

mdob · #3 09-12-2005, 02:44 PM

I'd cap pre-flop in hand 1. I'd just call the flop and fold the turn.

I'd fold the turn in hand 2. The pot is pretty small and you only beat a bluff.

lightw1thoutheat · #4 09-12-2005, 02:46 PM

1)
cap pf, it looked like you were stealing, and his raise could be any of a wide range of hands

call the turn, youre getting 7.5 to 1 and most likely youre good with an ace, king and definitely good with the case 6, unless he has that.
with say 7 outs, you will hit about 15% of the time, and 1/7.5 is about 13%.

2) fold turn, pot is small and not offering you odds to draw, and you might be against a flush or trips already

kaidoy · #5 09-12-2005, 03:02 PM

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1)
cap pf, it looked like you were stealing, and his raise could be any of a wide range of hands

call the turn, youre getting 7.5 to 1 and most likely youre good with an ace, king and definitely good with the case 6, unless he has that.
with say 7 outs, you will hit about 15% of the time, and 1/7.5 is about 13%.

2) fold turn, pot is small and not offering you odds to draw, and you might be against a flush or trips already

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(1)
altough I realized that he has a wide range of hands to 3bet me here, my thinking behind not capping pf was that he as either high cards or a pair and he will show me which one it is when I raise the flop

(2) my thinking here was that this play made no sense with anything but an high club, so I expected a bluff to be rather likely

Bluffoon · #6 09-12-2005, 03:30 PM

Hand number one - cap pf and call down.

Hand number two - I read the villian as betting to prevent you checking through the scare card. The sb has checked already but I would be a little more suspicious of the bet if it was heads up. Without a club I think you are better off folding this.

Forbillz · #7 09-12-2005, 03:59 PM

Hand 1 - When I'm defending my blind, I personally love the play made, at least against players capable of folding. When faced with a potential steal, I routinely 3-bet decent hands (A-8 and up, any PP, etc, 2 painted), follow it up with strong bets. I'm constantly amazed at how profitable I've found it to be.

So, the only counter to the blind-defend 3-bet is cap, and play strong. I think you're in a position to take this pot more than you think.

Of course, that's subject to read on player. Lower AF could be different story.