Air Force coach's racial comments - Page 6

lastchance · #51 10-27-2005, 08:35 PM

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Rush didn't even make a stereotype. He simply said the only reason anyone thought McNabb was any good was because he was black, and if he was white, hed be thought of as an average quarterback at best.

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Which is clearly dumber than what the AF guy said.

fingokra · #52 10-27-2005, 09:17 PM

That isn't what he said. He simply said the McNabb was overrated. He was overrated because the NFL/media wanted a black QB to hype. If he had been a white qb he would have never recieved the hype that he has. Probably some truth to it. Although McNabb has proven to be pretty good.

lastchance · #53 10-27-2005, 09:37 PM

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That isn't what he said. He simply said the McNabb was overrated. He was overrated because the NFL/media wanted a black QB to hype. If he had been a white qb he would have never recieved the hype that he has. Probably some truth to it. Although McNabb has proven to be pretty good.

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McNabb isn't an "average" QB by any stretch of the imagination. Rush said that McNabb was an average QB. He may be slightly overrated, but really, have you seen anyone slobbering over him like Brady (who deserves it), and Vick (who doesn't). And you know people slobber over Vick because he can run and make plays.

youtalkfunny · #54 10-27-2005, 10:35 PM

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In general, this country is terrified to have any honest public racial dialogue. We'd rather stick our heads in the sand.

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I liked this post so much, I stopped reading the thread at this point. I mean that in a good way.

fingokra · #55 10-28-2005, 12:29 AM

I agree McNabb is a well above average, but at the time of Rush's statement this was far more debateable.

J.R. · #56 10-28-2005, 12:38 AM

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Sorry to say this, I don't think he's been that good from the get-go," Limbaugh said. "I think what we've had here is a little social concern in the NFL. The media has been very desirous that a black quarterback do well. There is a little hope invested in McNabb, and he got a lot of credit for the performance of this team that he didn't deserve. The defense carried this team

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ChipWrecked · #57 10-28-2005, 06:21 AM

"....you don't see many minority athletes" at the Air Force Academy because?

You don't see many black Air Force command officers.

This coach isn't anything like the racist his bosses are.

fingokra · #58 10-28-2005, 12:16 PM

I don't see anything wrong with that blurb. I think considering his performance since that remark, that Rush was wrong; however it was a valid point for debate. He shouldn't have gotten fired and shunned for it.

No worse than any AA basketball player saying that they think Larry Bird was overrated because he was white. Oh wait that did happen. By the way this is also a valid point of debate, agree with it or not.

Clarkmeister · #59 10-28-2005, 12:30 PM

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That isn't what he said. He simply said the McNabb was overrated. He was overrated because the NFL/media wanted a black QB to hype. If he had been a white qb he would have never recieved the hype that he has. Probably some truth to it. Although McNabb has proven to be pretty good.

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1. McNabb is more arguably overrated now than then. Then, he had a WR corps that is barely in the NFL anymore and a nonexistant running game. Yet, he carried them to 3 straight NFC Championship games despite that.

2. The NFL had plenty of black QB's to hype at the time. McNair had just gone to a Super Bowl and was on one of the leagues perennial top teams. Duante Culpepper was on a team that just went 15-1 and had one of the leagues most glamorous offenses. The idea that they lacked or needed a QB to hype is ignorant, at best.

3. I love accusations that claim "the media" is doing something. If Rush (or anyone) wants to make that statement, that "the media" has a systematic agenda, then make direct accusations. List specific media members and cite specific instances. He didn't, and couldn't. That's why he justifiably got buried. That crap works on a radio show where you are supposed to incite and throw out baseless accusations. It does not fly when you are on a national media outlet supposedly giving objective analysis.

4. If he had been a white QB, he would have likely gotten MORE hype. Can you imagine a scrambling, rocket armed white QB that leads a totally talentless offense to the Conference Championship game 3 years in a row?? Jesus, look at the hype the white-idol Manning gets, and he has Hall of Famers surrounding him instead of Duce Staley, James Thrash and Todd Pinkston. And, oh by the way, he hasn't accomplished half of what McNabb has in the NFL.

Voltron87 · #60 10-28-2005, 01:24 PM

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That isn't what he said. He simply said the McNabb was overrated. He was overrated because the NFL/media wanted a black QB to hype. If he had been a white qb he would have never recieved the hype that he has. Probably some truth to it. Although McNabb has proven to be pretty good.

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1. McNabb is more arguably overrated now than then. Then, he had a WR corps that is barely in the NFL anymore and a nonexistant running game. Yet, he carried them to 3 straight NFC Championship games despite that.

2. The NFL had plenty of black QB's to hype at the time. McNair had just gone to a Super Bowl and was on one of the leagues perennial top teams. Duante Culpepper was on a team that just went 15-1 and had one of the leagues most glamorous offenses. The idea that they lacked or needed a QB to hype is ignorant, at best.

3. I love accusations that claim "the media" is doing something. If Rush (or anyone) wants to make that statement, that "the media" has a systematic agenda, then make direct accusations. List specific media members and cite specific instances. He didn't, and couldn't. That's why he justifiably got buried. That crap works on a radio show where you are supposed to incite and throw out baseless accusations. It does not fly when you are on a national media outlet supposedly giving objective analysis.

4. If he had been a white QB, he would have likely gotten MORE hype. Can you imagine a scrambling, rocket armed white QB that leads a totally talentless offense to the Conference Championship game 3 years in a row?? Jesus, look at the hype the white-idol Manning gets, and he has Hall of Famers surrounding him instead of Duce Staley, James Thrash and Todd Pinkston. And, oh by the way, he hasn't accomplished half of what McNabb has in the NFL.

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great post.