Hand 52 and hand 58

benkath1 · #1 08-25-2005, 09:50 AM

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Preflop: Hero is MP with T, A.
1 fold, MICROPOSTER raises, 1 fold, Button calls, 2 folds.

Flop: (5.33 SB) 6, T, K (2 players)
MICROPOSTER bets, Button raises, MICROPOSTER calls.

Turn: (4.66 BB) J (2 players)
MICROPOSTER checks, Button bets, MICROPOSTER calls.

River: (6.66 BB) 7 (2 players)
MICROPOSTER checks, Button bets, MICROPOSTER calls.

Final Pot: 8.66 BB

I'm not sure I like this hand. I like the flop bet, but why call down with 3rd pair? I could see with a read that villain overplays overs/flush draws, but I've seen most of the hands played differently.

- - - HAND 58 - - -

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Preflop: Hero is Button with K, A.
2 folds, MICROPOSTER raises, SB 3-bets, BB calls, MICROPOSTER caps, SB calls, BB calls.

Flop: (12 SB) 5, 5, 3 (3 players)
SB checks, BB bets, MICROPOSTER calls, SB raises, BB calls, MICROPOSTER calls.

Turn: (9 BB) 2 (3 players)
SB bets, BB calls, MICROPOSTER calls.

River: (12 BB) 5 (3 players)
SB bets, BB folds, MICROPOSTER calls.

This one worried me too. A high, with a sneaky SB? I'd be inclined to fold this on the river and expect SB to show 10 10 or something.

#2 08-25-2005, 11:13 AM

I think you need to go back and put in the suits of the cards, it can make a huge difference on how the hand was played out

benkath1 · #3 08-25-2005, 11:19 AM

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first flop rainbow to MP's A [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]T [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]

second flop 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] to MP's K [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]A [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]

#4 08-25-2005, 11:39 AM

RE: Hand 52. Flop bet and call are standard. On the turn, I picked up a possible 4 extra outs, so I thought it was a very close call getting 5.66 to 1. River was sort of a feel call... the timing of the bet was odd. Thought I better call it. I only need to be good 14% of the time to make it correct.

Hand 58: I don't like my river call much either... although I think it's close getting 13:1.

benkath1 · #5 08-25-2005, 11:45 AM

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RE: Hand 52. Flop bet and call are standard. On the turn, I picked up a possible 4 extra outs, so I thought it was a very close call getting 5.66 to 1. River was sort of a feel call... the timing of the bet was odd. Thought I better call it. I only need to be good 14% of the time to make it correct.

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Did you have any reads on this one? I'm curious as to what kind of player you would call with this hand. I don't play 6 max, but I liked reading this session.

#6 08-25-2005, 11:55 AM

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RE: Hand 52. Flop bet and call are standard. On the turn, I picked up a possible 4 extra outs, so I thought it was a very close call getting 5.66 to 1. River was sort of a feel call... the timing of the bet was odd. Thought I better call it. I only need to be good 14% of the time to make it correct.

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Did you have any reads on this one? I'm curious as to what kind of player you would call with this hand. I don't play 6 max, but I liked reading this session.

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My only read was the general read that he doesn't have to have a K to raise the flop here. He could be on a straight draw, have a T with a worse kicker, a 6, a low PP, or he could be on air.

Flop and turn really are standard in this game... you are ahead too great a % of time to give up that early. I think the river is debateable though. With a read, easy call.

And I picked up a read after playing the hand [img]/images/graemlins/smirk.gif[/img]

benkath1 · #7 08-25-2005, 12:00 PM

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My only read was the general read that he doesn't have to have a K to raise the flop here. He could be on a straight draw, have a T with a worse kicker, a 6, a low PP, or he could be on air.

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I guess this is what I don't understand. If he doesn't have to have a K to raise, why not 3-bet this flop? Is that something you would do if you weren't OOP? Or is it the cap we fear? I'm trying to figure out where my over aggressiveness is.

#8 08-25-2005, 12:08 PM

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I guess this is what I don't understand. If he doesn't have to have a K to raise, why not 3-bet this flop? Is that something you would do if you weren't OOP? Or is it the cap we fear? I'm trying to figure out where my over aggressiveness is.

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Couple reasons, IMO.

If he's on air or a really marginal hand, let him keep bluffing. A 3-bet will often shut him down or make him fold.

Other times, you are behind, and are putting in extra bets with the worst of it.

I've got outs, I could be ahead... I just call and let him bet the hand for me. If he checks the turn, I'll bet the river.

deception5 · #9 08-25-2005, 01:15 PM

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If he's on air or a really marginal hand, let him keep bluffing. A 3-bet will often shut him down or make him fold.

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I disagree, you really don't have a strong enough hand here to risk a free card. A hand like QJ has 13 outs against you. If you call the flop raise you should be bet/folding the turn. Or 3-bet the flop and lead the turn. This is an Ahead/Way Behind situation.

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If he checks the turn, I'll bet the river.

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And he'll fold a draw after taking the free card.

#10 08-25-2005, 01:25 PM

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If you call the flop raise you should be bet/folding the turn. Or 3-bet the flop and lead the turn.

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I hate both these lines, to be honest.

3-betting the flop is spewing, IMO. You aren't ahead often enough.

And why on earth would you bet/fold the turn with 9 potential outs?