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#1
07-20-2005, 08:57 AM
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Wussification or Smart River Play? J9s PP2/4
button and CO are solid, weak-tight tags. BB is good LAG but nothing special.
CO and button limp, I complete SB with J9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], BB checks 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (16) checked around K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (16) I check, BB bets $10, CO calls, Button folds, I call. 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (46) I check, BB bets 40, CO calls, I call for poops and giggles... fim 
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#2
07-20-2005, 12:27 PM
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results
CO shows nut frush, BB shows nothing and i lose.
anyone find a fold here? you like how CO played it? fim
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#3
07-20-2005, 12:34 PM
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Re: results
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CO shows nut frush, BB shows nothing and i lose. anyone find a fold here? you like how CO played it? fim [/ QUOTE ] I might fold there, but it would have to be based on a read. Lacking a read, I call. Funny thing was that the CO lucked into more money by just cold calling with the nuts. If he had raised you would have had to fold, and the moron with nothing would fold as well. In short, I think the CO played less than optimally, but got lucky. He could have raised the turn and charged you more as well as to try and take it down right there. He also had no way of putting you on a made hand, so he should have minraised at the bare minimum to try and get the BB to put more money in. You got unlucky that the CO was a passive nit. l
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#4
07-20-2005, 01:26 PM
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Re: Wussification or Smart River Play? J9s PP2/4
CO is retarded. Nice call on the river, though. A lot of players raise and I'm pretty sure it's wrong. No one finds a fold. I hope that was a joke.
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#5
07-20-2005, 01:44 PM
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Re: Wussification or Smart River Play? J9s PP2/4
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No one finds a fold. [/ QUOTE ] Let me play devil's advocate here. Given there was a bet and a call, could you make an argument for a fold? I probably wouldnt in this scenario but is there a case where it would be correct?
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#6
07-20-2005, 01:51 PM
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Re: Wussification or Smart River Play? J9s PP2/4
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Given there was a bet and a call, could you make an argument for a fold? [/ QUOTE ] No. [ QUOTE ] I probably wouldnt in this scenario but is there a case where it would be correct? [/ QUOTE ] No. That's why I said that no one finds a fold.
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#7
07-20-2005, 01:57 PM
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Re: Wussification or Smart River Play? J9s PP2/4
Maybe I am wrong, but Fim seems to imply that perhaps a fold could be found in this situation?
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#8
07-20-2005, 02:00 PM
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Re: Wussification or Smart River Play? J9s PP2/4
I would fold if I had a good read on both players. You would have to put one of them on a better flush. The cold call could be the Q high flush, or the bettor could be the nuts. Either way, you could only fold if you had solid numbers on both players and was fairly certain (what, 75%?) that one of them had a better flush.
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#9
07-20-2005, 02:03 PM
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Re: Wussification or Smart River Play? J9s PP2/4
You're getting better than 3:1 on your call so you have to be more than 75% sure that you are beat. There is no freaking way, aside from seeing someone's cards, that you can know with >75% certainty that someone beats the third nuts just because they either bet the pot on the river or they called a pot bet on the river. Give me a break.
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#10
07-20-2005, 02:12 PM
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Re: Wussification or Smart River Play? J9s PP2/4
When you originally posted this I thought by the title ("wussification?") that you were asking if you should have raised the river. With a bet and a call in front of you, I don't see how you can do that. I like the call.
What if CO had raised the river to $80? Would you still have called? -dB
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