QQ, strange action

Claunchy · #1 12-15-2005, 04:49 AM

Party Poker 0.50/1.00 Hold'em (10 handed) link

Preflop: Hero is MP2 with Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
1 folds, UTG+1 calls, UTG+2 calls, 1 folds, Hero raises, 3 folds, SB calls, BB calls, UTG+1 3-bets, 1 folds, Hero caps, SB calls, BB calls, UTG+1 calls.

Flop: (17.00 SB) 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (4 players)
SB bets, BB folds, UTG+1 raises, Hero 3-bets, SB calls, UTG+1 calls.

Turn: (13.00 BB) 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (3 players)
SB bets, UTG+1 calls, Hero calls.

River: (16.00 BB) 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (3 players)
SB checks, UTG+1 bets, Hero calls, SB folds.

Final Pot: 18.00 BB.

The turn donk bet by SB really threw me off here. I wasn't about to let this one go, but should I have gotten in another raise or two?

BTW, UTG+1 is clearly a nut, but SB hadn't done anything too strange yet.

jaxUp · #2 12-15-2005, 05:02 AM

this hand is really odd. I play the same because I'm just baffled.

#3 12-15-2005, 05:23 AM

Yeah, donk on the turn after a 3-bet flop is pretty weird. If donk-boy is really dumb he could have a flush draw or top pair. Could have an over-pair(TT, and JJ fit the action). I think I'd raise turn to see what happens. Hell, I really don't know what these guys could have. My head is spinning. I'd like to see the results later.

imported_leader · #4 12-15-2005, 05:48 AM

I'd probably raise the turn. It doesn't look like you're beat here. A S&G is more often a weak hand, in this case JJ,TT or 9x, a lot more then it's a very strong hand, like 98, 88. Most players would go for the cr with that kind of hand after the flop action.

#5 12-15-2005, 05:56 AM

utg+1 is clearly mentally unhelathy person. i think thats his advantage.

I'd put him on A9 or A4 suited or set of fours. But would he reraise preflop with it?

Please tell me the outcome.

Claunchy · #6 12-15-2005, 06:01 AM

Since I'm pretty much positive that raising the turn would have, in retrospect, been the correct play, I'll go ahead and post results in white.

UTG+1 had AK, no diamond. WTF indeed.

#7 12-15-2005, 07:05 AM

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Since I'm pretty much positive that raising the turn would have, in retrospect, been the correct play, I'll go ahead and post results in white.

UTG+1 had AK, no diamond. WTF indeed.

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Come to think of it. I saw two players tonight that relentlesly donked raisers w/AK UI post-flop. Is this something Hellmuth advocates in one of his terrible books or something? Looks like a new trend. lol

testaaja · #8 12-15-2005, 08:12 AM

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Since I'm pretty much positive that raising the turn would have, in retrospect, been the correct play, I'll go ahead and post results in white.

UTG+1 had AK, no diamond. WTF indeed.

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Come to think of it. I saw two players tonight that relentlesly donked raisers w/AK UI post-flop. Is this something Hellmuth advocates in one of his terrible books or something? Looks like a new trend. lol

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I've seen this too! It must be a new trend [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

@bsolute_luck · #9 12-15-2005, 08:56 AM

people who play AK like this retard watch too much WSOP. enjoy having them at your table. they overvalue everything.

jakbse · #10 12-15-2005, 06:08 AM

grunch
I'd guess SB was semi-bluffing with a flush draw, probably one with outs to overpair worth to protect. When he missed he could beat only a bluff and decided to fold the river. I think UTG had either a lower PP than yours or AK. The reason for saying is that I would expect him to cap the flop or raise the turn with a higher PP.
Given that I think you should have raised the turn.