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Old 06-13-2005, 10:18 AM
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Default party 30-60 river plan with a boat. . .

utg limp, i limp utg+1 with 88, sb raises, bb 3 bets, ytg and I call, sb calls. . .

flop 8c 4d 4c (derb). . . sb checks, bb bets, utg calls, i raise, sb 3 bets, utg calls, i cap, both call. . .

turn Ah, checks to me, I bet, sb check-raises, utg calls, I call. . .

river 5c. . . utg pauses for like 4 seconds and checks, utg bets. . . what's my river plan?
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Old 06-13-2005, 10:35 AM
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Default Re: party 30-60 river plan with a boat. . .

3-bet the turn. Raise the river.
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Old 06-13-2005, 10:41 AM
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Default Re: party 30-60 river plan with a boat. . .

what do you put him on after teh turn cr?
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Old 06-13-2005, 10:50 AM
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Default Re: party 30-60 river plan with a boat. . .

Damned if I know. A big club ace, an out-of-line on the flop AK, some hand containing a 4. I can't give him AA since he didn't cap a 4-way pot preflop.
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Old 06-13-2005, 10:53 AM
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Default bah. . . error

I typed SB instead of BB for the turn cr. The BB 3 bet preflop and everyone just called, so put AA back in teh radar. . .
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Old 06-13-2005, 11:12 AM
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Default Re: bah. . . error

I'd still 3-bet turn/raise the river. BB's flop play is more in line with AK than SB's, and the pot's big enough for him to maybe crying-call 120. I thing AA is more likely to go for a lead/3-bet on the river. At the very least UTG is paying off a raise, and BB may well call 2-cold. If you get check/3-bet by AA, it sucks, but it only costs you 1 extra bet since he'd be checkraising if you call anyways.
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Old 06-13-2005, 11:41 AM
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Default Re: party 30-60 river plan with a boat. . .

Why can't this guy have AcKc? I'd 3-bet the turn, call if capped. If they are still betting out then I'd call the river but I'm not finding a fold here.
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Old 06-13-2005, 11:50 AM
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Default I MESSED UP THE ACTION, READ THIS FIRST. . .

utg limp, i limp utg+1 with 88, sb raises, bb 3 bets, ytg and I call, sb calls. . .

flop 8c 4d 4c (derb). . . sb checks, bb bets, utg calls, i raise, sb folds, BB 3 bets, utg calls, i cap, both call. . .

turn Ah, checks to me, I bet, BB check-raises, utg calls, I call. . .

river 5c. . . utg pauses for like 4 seconds and checks, utg bets. . . what's my river plan?
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Old 06-13-2005, 01:15 PM
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Default I think you\'re good

I don't think you have to worry about UTG because he obviously doesn't have AA (44 is more likely than AA here, and it's pretty obvious he doesn't have that either). BB might have AA, but I highly doubt it. Why wouldn't he lead out on the turn considering that you've shown enough strength to call a 3bet PF and then went wild on the flop with a raise and a cap? It seems like the C/R there is going to limit the size of the pot when he could be making it bigger (a c/r is more likely to drive out utg if he checks it to the hero and has to call 2 cold when it comes back to him. He would want UTG to call atleast 1 bet, and judging by the capped flop by the hero, hero's not going anywhere and is probably raising. This gives him the opportunity to 3 bet with AA rather than getting the 2bb into the pot with the c/r). If either one of your opponents had AA, I think they played it poorly. I would be aggressive here because I think you have the best hand a large % of the time. the UTG bet on the river is strange but I don't think it says AA or 44. The BB might still have AA but if he does, he has made a stupid play on the turn. I raise the river and consider folding if it comes back to me capped.
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Old 06-13-2005, 02:57 PM
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Default did i set a record?

for messing up the action in one thread. I think I've done it 4 or 5 times.

"river 5c. . . utg pauses for like 4 seconds and checks, utg bets. . . what's my river plan?"

should read. . .

"river 5c. . . BB pauses for like 4 seconds and checks, utg bets. . . what's my river plan?"
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