AJ hand - how not to go broke with TPTK - Page 2

Hornacek · #1 08-24-2005, 09:14 AM

in this situation, my arbitrary cutoff point between calling and folding is 150 chips.

tigerite · #2 08-24-2005, 09:15 AM

I dunno, t200-250 probably. It depends.

For the times he does have KJ, QJ etc, I don't think this line loses out that much, maybe you can get a raise on the river which he calls, but not much more than that.

FWIW he had JJ..

45suited · #3 08-24-2005, 09:24 AM

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FWIW he had JJ...

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NH Tigerite. Man, did he play that like crap!

fnord_too · #4 08-24-2005, 09:51 AM

Yawn. WP, but pretty boring.

ilya · #5 08-24-2005, 10:13 AM

I like how you played this hand, but I have a couple questions for you.

1, do you think your opponent may be too likely to accidentally read your hand correctly given this line (i.e., you might play 88 the same way, but he won't know that and will think that you would play it slower on the flop)?

2, considering your answer to #1 among other things, what's the max you call on the river?

3, how much more agressively do you play the turn/river if you hit an Ace/Jack on the turn/river?

schwza · #6 08-24-2005, 11:02 AM

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Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t30 (10 handed) converter

UTG+2 (t2122)
MP1 (t2400)
MP2 (t1210)
MP3 (t995)
CO (t1515)
Button (t735)
SB (t845)
BB (t828)
Hero (t1775)
UTG+1 (t1205)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
Hero calls t30, 3 folds, MP2 calls t30, 2 folds, Button calls t30, SB completes, BB checks.

Flop: (t150) 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (5 players)
SB checks, BB checks, Hero bets t120, MP2 raises to t300, Button folds, SB folds, BB folds, Hero folds.

Final Pot: t570

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you're saying you're concerned that villain will read us as TPTK and try to move us off it? i don't think that happens very often.

ilya · #7 08-24-2005, 11:04 AM

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Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t30 (10 handed) converter

UTG+2 (t2122)
MP1 (t2400)
MP2 (t1210)
MP3 (t995)
CO (t1515)
Button (t735)
SB (t845)
BB (t828)
Hero (t1775)
UTG+1 (t1205)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
Hero calls t30, 3 folds, MP2 calls t30, 2 folds, Button calls t30, SB completes, BB checks.

Flop: (t150) 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (5 players)
SB checks, BB checks, Hero bets t120, MP2 raises to t300, Button folds, SB folds, BB folds, Hero folds.

Final Pot: t570

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you're saying you're concerned that villain will read us as TPTK and try to move us off it? i don't think that happens very often.

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not at the $33s, I agree. but perhaps at a higher level. doesn't seem like a bad idea to consider whether a line might be too exploitable by a good player.