Second pair checkraised on the turn.

Jeff W · #1 09-11-2005, 01:21 AM

Villain is tight/aggressive.

Stats: 22/12 over 550 hands
2.1/1.9/0.7 AFs
Checkraise%=2.9%

Party Poker 20/40 (10 handed)

Preflop: Hero is MP2 with 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
3 folds, MP1 raises, Hero 3-bets, 5 folds, MP1 calls.

Flop: (7.50 SB) 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)
MP1 checks, Hero bets, MP1 calls.

Turn: (4.75 BB) 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)
MP1 checks, Hero bets, MP1 raises, Hero folds.

CardSharpCook · #2 09-11-2005, 01:32 AM

So, the question is, does he have AQ or is he taking the chance that you have AK? The real question is does he have AQ (or better) 80% of the time? Of course the answer is no. Call him down.

ggbman · #3 09-11-2005, 01:34 AM

Checking behind the turn should be a serious consideration here sometimes. The way you played it, i can't see not folding to that c/r, but the added value of always getting to showdown and inducing bluffs/value bets from worse hands than yours is appealing. I know you miss out on value sometimes, you also don't get bown off the pot others.

Jeff W · #4 09-11-2005, 01:41 AM

The problem with checking behind on the turn is that he's not bluffing the river. Against an aggressive opponent, I like checking behind on the turn.

CardSharpCook · #5 09-11-2005, 01:44 AM

I disagree with checking here. First, there is a heart draw out there. Second, I have no desire to let him draw to 6 outs for free. Third, there are still hands that you can value bet here. He can be open raising with 77/88 and he may feel that it is wise to call down with AK.

CardSharpCook · #6 09-11-2005, 01:47 AM

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The problem with checking behind on the turn is that he's not bluffing the river. Against an aggressive opponent, I like checking behind on the turn.

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I disagree. I'd rather let the agro hang himself with a chk/rz when I have to call down anyway. And the same theory of not letting him draw to 6 outs for free applies here too. The times that I check behind vs. an agro are when I have a decent drawing hand. By checking in that situation I get him betting into my made hand on the river, and they usually call when I raise the river, meaning I still get my two bets.

ggbman · #7 09-11-2005, 02:11 AM

Well jeff, since he's passive you probably right about the turn check.

And CSC, it's not that he can't have a worse hand that he will pay off, but that anaylsis doesn't take into account the times we're already beat and showdown for 2 less bets.

CardSharpCook · #8 09-11-2005, 02:14 AM

that's true. Then the question is, which costs more: losing the pot by letting him draw to 6 outs which he'd fold, or charging ourselves an extra 2 bets against hands that have us beat.

steveyz · #9 09-11-2005, 06:28 PM

Don't like it. I think villian might be capable of raising 88/77 here hoping to fold either a hand like yours or AK.

imashyboi · #10 09-11-2005, 11:00 PM

Does anyone here think he might have a Q more than a mid pair that beats us? His stats doesn't imply super tight, he's probably willing to raise here with a KQs or AQ. I like the bet on the turn since he is pretty passive on the flops, if he raises he most likely have a hand we can't beat. Is he willing to semi-bluff here with a raise OOP? IF he's willing to do that with a mid pair OOP then I'm calling him down.