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Old 12-07-2005, 05:03 PM
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it seems I just can't learn to do it.

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Hogwash! Like most things in life, it just takes some practice. As one who just recently began multi-tabling, I'll repeat some advice that others have given. Drop down to a level that is simply meaningless to you financially and play two tables at a time, preferably on a site whose software is slow. If you can find two tables where you can sit in the same (or close to the same) seats, that would also help at first. Use of PAHud or GT+ eases some of the burden of having to follow the action so closely. And, accept the fact that it's ok to make a few mistakes playing more than one table since you'll be getting into the "long-run" more quickly.

BTW, I wish you'd re-consider your desertion from the Computer Technical Help page [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]
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Old 12-07-2005, 05:27 PM
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It's a matter of desire, not ability, for me. I generally play one table (6-max) for a few reasons.

1) I play better
2) I often watch TV out of the corner of my eye
3) I have wife/kids around that ask questions.

With 1 table I can handle distractions and still play well. If I'm playing 10-handed I'll usually play 2 tables though.
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Old 12-07-2005, 05:34 PM
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Reads are another factor - Most guys who multitable has crap reads unless experienced.



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I've always thought this was a wierd thing to think. When i first started playing i would time my actions thinking my opponents would get certain ideas from them. But people multitable, watch tv, surf, jack off, read, eat, and bla bla bla, while they are playing online. The timing of actions(the only real read you can get) are of little use to online play.

Getting a feel for you opponents, and knowing their tendencies is valuable, and is not the same as reading an opponent. This is something you might do better playing less tables, but it is quickly remedied with a hud.

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I think you may be confusing "reads" with "tells".

Trying to determine if a player has a monster by how long he takes to act is trying to get a tell, just like in a live game you would study the player to see if you notice anything.

A read is really a pattern in the player's game. For instance, a player might always bet the river when checked to, every time.

Tells are pretty much useless in online games. Reads, on the other hand, are very useful and most multitablers miss a ton of them. Even a HUD doesn't tell you everything.
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Old 12-07-2005, 05:42 PM
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I currently multitable at a site which does not support PT (Bodog), and one on another site (4 total). Usually I play NL 50 or 100

I have no reads whatsoever without PT, but it still works very well. I play ultratight, only premiums and any pocket pair. My goal is to win big pots w my sets and high pocket pair that hold up and medium to small pots w/ my TPTK. I dont even mess around w/ any marginal hands or suited connectors.

Maybe the reason you can't multitable is because you are trying to "play" instead of just falling into a system. I think most people who multitable play much tighter than they would on one table, and for as retardedly tight as I play, no one ever seems to catch on.

Maybe this will help. Try to 2 table w/ a VP$IP of around 10-15%, get reeeaaally used to folding everything but pp and premiums, and play ABC poker, and I dont see why you shouldn't quickly get accustomed to it.

Hope this helps
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Old 12-07-2005, 05:53 PM
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Default Re: Am I the only one not multitabling?

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Reads are another factor - Most guys who multitable has crap reads unless experienced.



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The timing of actions(the only real read you can get) are of little use to online play.

Getting a feel for you opponents, and knowing their tendencies is valuable, and is not the same as reading an opponent. This is something you might do better playing less tables, but it is quickly remedied with a hud.

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A few things i find odd in this quote mate.

Timings is not the only read you can get, and they are worthless.

Would you bet your TPTK on a 4flush board vs someone watching porn(So taking longer to check) than someone focusing and automatically checking?


a HUD doesnt come NEAR well written and observed notes on a players tendencies.

I.e. "Player bet turn when board paired holding high cards" The day a hud tell you that will be the day bots become AWESOME. [img]/images/graemlins/smirk.gif[/img]
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Old 12-07-2005, 05:57 PM
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I hate waiting on the multitabling jerks who take 40 seconds to fold, then the next multitabling jerk does the same thing because he is to anal to look ahead and fold his 52o.


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These people are certainly extremely annoying, but don't lump all multitablers in with them. Some of us are fast. I wouldn't multitable if it was going to take me more than two or three seconds to act (apart from real decisions) and I use advance action buttons liberally.

If I wasn't so hung up on that, I could probably multitable non-holdem games. As it is I generally just play one at a time.
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Old 12-07-2005, 06:09 PM
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Thanx everyone for the advice. I guess I have to lose a little more money while practising. I know that once I get the skill that money will come back fast.

Btw, I did play alot of play money multitable to practice. I can quad table there and still win since the games are so easy, but even when dual tabling real money I just seem to be able to make it.

I must be jinxed.
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Old 12-07-2005, 06:16 PM
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I wish you'd re-consider your desertion from the Computer Technical Help page [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

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Hehe, nah, I were there just the time I was not playing poker. I had a long break. I just got fed up with hepling people who could not even say thanx or even if my help worked or not (much advice I gave I have not ever tested myself but knew it "should" work). Plus all the priv msg that people sent didn't help either. Unthankfulness (or whatever the word is) is one of the things I hate the most.
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Old 12-07-2005, 06:54 PM
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Reads are another factor - Most guys who multitable has crap reads unless experienced.



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The timing of actions(the only real read you can get) are of little use to online play.

Getting a feel for you opponents, and knowing their tendencies is valuable, and is not the same as reading an opponent. This is something you might do better playing less tables, but it is quickly remedied with a hud.

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A few things i find odd in this quote mate.

Timings is not the only read you can get, and they are worthless.

Would you bet your TPTK on a 4flush board vs someone watching porn(So taking longer to check) than someone focusing and automatically checking?


a HUD doesnt come NEAR well written and observed notes on a players tendencies.

I.e. "Player bet turn when board paired holding high cards" The day a hud tell you that will be the day bots become AWESOME. [img]/images/graemlins/smirk.gif[/img]

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I appologize for confusing the terms read, and tell. I was referring to tells. A hud is a remedy, not a full on cure for not being able to observe everything everyone does at a table. I do keep notes, and coupled with hud, it does well. It just takes longer to get good reads.

If an opponent had a went to showdown stat of 39, yea I'd bet my TPTK, if an opponent had a PF aggresion of 4 and a went to showdown of 18, i would raise him on the turn when the board paired. Obviously Focusing completely on 1 table will improve your winrate. Thanks for clearing up my misconception.
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Old 12-07-2005, 08:15 PM
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Default Re: Am I the only one not multitabling?

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I hate waiting on the multitabling jerks who take 40 seconds to fold, then the next multitabling jerk does the same thing because he is to anal to look ahead and fold his 52o.


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These people are certainly extremely annoying, but don't lump all multitablers in with them. Some of us are fast. I wouldn't multitable if it was going to take me more than two or three seconds to act (apart from real decisions) and I use advance action buttons liberally.

If I wasn't so hung up on that, I could probably multitable non-holdem games. As it is I generally just play one at a time.

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same here. unless i was in a situation where i had noticed that the blinds were super tight i'd auto fold 52o in any position ( since i wouldn't even try to steal from the sb with it if it was folded around ).
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