One hour session of 1/2 6 max...77 hands, 20 saw flop

[benkath1]

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4 A6o: pretty awful. fold the flop, fold the turn. calling the flop is very bad.

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Even with a decent read?

[milesdyson]

i was at work when i responded to these hands, and i couldn't get back to this to answer you.

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4 A6o: pretty awful. fold the flop, fold the turn. calling the flop is very bad.

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Even with a decent read?

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i will quote what you gave as your read:
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Here I'd seen SB bet a few flops and fold to any aggression on later streets.

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first i wouldn't call this a decent read. i would call it "something i saw at the table." a read is "will bluff raggy flops," or "will bluff paired flops," or "will cap flush draws regardless of size of field," etc.

it is often the right play to bet the flop and fold to aggression later. i'm just saying that seeing him do this doesn't really tell you much about him. now if you'd seen him show down 22 after he bet the flop and turn on a 89QA board, well that's a read you can use.

and this was what you decided to do with this read:
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My plan was to call here and raise any scare card

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there are several things i don't like here.

1. there's a player to act behind you and you're devising a plan for a future street based on incomplete information. it seems like you ignored the 3rd guy altogether.
2. when you do get a chance to raise this turn, he has now already bet the flop and turn. and since we really don't know how he plays yet, we are going to put 2 BB into a small pot with bottom pair against some guy who probably has a better hand. we are relying on him (AND the other guy) to fold here.

[@bsolute_luck]

you seem to be doing fine at 6-max to me. do you still not like it?

1. goot
2. Fold PRF too early for a raise.
3. meh, i usually bet this flop
4. [img]/images/graemlins/shocked.gif[/img] read-based i guess but long run = bad idea
5. goot
6. check/call with outs. you're lucky he didn't 3-bet here.
7. goot
8. fold the turn
9. is button that aggressive then i c/r the turn.
10. goot
11. goot (minus loose PRF call)
12. goot
13. goot
14. Fold PRF.
15. goot
16. PRF cap is fine with position and oodles of schmucks cold calling gives better odds to call that flop.

[benkath1]

Gotcha. I hope it didn't seem like I was arguing about your response. I didn't post these hands to brag, or show off or anything else. After reading these boards, my general view of 6 max, at least 1/2 6 max at party, was that it was a lag fest where the players are utterly horrible. I had the impression a guy could go in there and win with any two. I'm starting to figure it out, slowly but surely. Reading Aarons posts and playing some hands with deception has been an eye opener. OH, and of course milesdyson keeping it real. I think a few more session posts similar to this one would be interesting.

Thanks for the help guys.

Ben

[milesdyson]

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Gotcha. I hope it didn't seem like I was arguing about your response. I didn't post these hands to brag, or show off or anything else.

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didn't seem argumenative at all.

i might post up a session some time. i will feel like an idiot having my hands show! low my gosh!

[MrWookie47]

I think this is a very good system. The hands look great (not necessarily the play, but the post). The only thing I'd change would be to add hand numbers next time. That'll make it easier to reply to.

[milesdyson]

well now, out of curiosity, what prevents everyone from posting 20 hands at a time? are there criteria?

[MrWookie47]

We were trying this format out as a replacement for Microposter, not to make posting 20 hands at a time a regular occurance.

[benkath1]

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I think this is a very good system. The hands look great (not necessarily the play, but the post). The only thing I'd change would be to add hand numbers next time. That'll make it easier to reply to.

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OK, so give me your comments on the play too.

BTW, this was a fair ammount of work, but playing with the paper and pen in front of me made a huge difference. I need to autopilot less. [img]/images/graemlins/smirk.gif[/img]

[milesdyson]

okay but just letting you know all my future hand posts will be at least 20 hands.

and here is a lamb to comfort you