Flop + turn call...

krishanleong · #1 08-01-2005, 12:50 PM

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Preflop: Hero is SB with 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
UTG raises, MP calls, Button calls, Hero calls, BB calls.

Flop: (10 SB) 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (5 players)
Hero checks, BB checks, UTG bets, MP raises, Button calls, Hero calls, BB calls, UTG calls.

Turn: (10 BB) A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (5 players)
Hero checks, BB checks, UTG bets, MP raises, Button calls, Hero calls...

Life sucks. Did I do okay?

Krishan

Victor · #2 08-01-2005, 12:53 PM

your out are super tainted. i would find a fold on the flop. call me a nit.

MarkL444 · #3 08-01-2005, 12:53 PM

personally i cant decide which call i think is worse.

what was your thought process for each?

krishanleong · #4 08-01-2005, 12:55 PM

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your out are super tainted. i would find a fold on the flop. call me a nit.

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How many outs do I have?

Krishan

JrJordan · #5 08-01-2005, 12:56 PM

I'd still muck this on the flop. Assuming everyone behind you call, you're getting immediate odds of 9:1. With implied odds of hitting you can make up the extra BB, but it's still not that great a hand even when a 7 hits. Someone could be raising/calling with JT, or you could be chopping with a fellow 6. One of your "7" outs is tainted too because of the flush draw. You also have to worry about UTG possibly 3-betting. This combo makes me fold this even in a big pot such as this.

krishanleong · #6 08-01-2005, 12:56 PM

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personally i cant decide which call i think is worse.

what was your thought process for each?

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I calculated my outs, determined the likelyhood that it would be raised again behind me, looked at the size of the pot, considered implied odds and then decided it was a call.

Krishan

PokerBob · #7 08-01-2005, 12:56 PM

k,
I think you can let this go on the flop. A 3-bet from UTG destroys your EV here.

krishanleong · #8 08-01-2005, 12:57 PM

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I'd still muck this on the flop. Assuming everyone behind you call, you're getting immediate odds of 9:1. With implied odds of hitting you can make up the extra BB, but it's still not that great a hand even when a 7 hits. Someone could be raising/calling with JT, or you could be chopping with a fellow 6. One of your "7" outs is tainted too because of the flush draw. You also have to worry about UTG possibly 3-betting. This combo makes me fold this even in a big pot such as this.

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Nice analysis. I do hate any draw that competes with JT.

Krishan

alta_chuttes · #9 08-01-2005, 12:59 PM

my intial reaction is the turn call getting 15:2 not closing the action with at best 6 outs is thin.

The spade straight/set outs are dirty, a set may not win v. a bigger set or a somebody with a seven and a rivered gutshot may hook up JT/QJ.

But then again the risk of BB raising here seems small (although UTG may re-open the betting) and your implied odds look good. I still fold the turn.

Similar problems exist on the flop but your super implied odds are even better there so I don't mind that codlcall so much but its still close at best.

Victor · #10 08-01-2005, 01:01 PM

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your out are super tainted. i would find a fold on the flop. call me a nit.

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How many outs do I have?

Krishan

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between 0 and 6.