Very Well Played Hand 1/2

[fimbulwinter]

coaching a friend online, he played this at PP 1/2NL

full ring

hero is on BB with 33.

folded to very good player on button who raises to 12 (standard opener for table). hero folds.

I pat him on the back.

fim

EDIT- Both stacks @~200

[soah]

I can predict a horde of people stampeding this thread to demand a call there. Let me find my body armor.

[meleader2]

POOOOOOOOOOOOOSH.

[chumdawg]

Hell, I fold threes all the time.

Do you mean to suggest that the button is too good to ever pay him off on this hand if he hits a set?

Or do you mean that your friend is nowhere near good enough to even thinking about outplaying the villain in this position?

Or do you mean that your friend needs to leave this guy alone and wait for better spots against the other players at the table?

Or some combination of the above?

[sourbeaver]

I'm guessing a very good player who raises to 12 on the button might appear to give good implied odds for a call, but really isn't, because his raising range being on the button and first in the pot is much larger than what you'd like him to hold when you do flop your set.

Plus if he's a decent player, you're not getting full value for your set if he flops top pair w AK-AQ or has something like TT-JJ.

[Little Fishy]

if you don't think he'll get value for his set from this guy then looks good... against most players this seems like an easy call though

[Wayfare]

We could do a lot of math to prove that this is a good fold. Or we could just say "good fold."

I prefer the latter.

[poboy]

Ok I'll play devils advocate, why fold here? This is only 6% of the stacks involved. Is villian so good that he will always correctly laydown when hero has the best hand, is anybody this good?
I think raising is a better option than folding. If villian is good his raising range is enormous here, but only a few of those hands could call a reraise profitably.

Ok let me have it....

[Wayfare]

[ QUOTE ]
Ok I'll play devils advocate, why fold here? This is only 6% of the stacks involved. Is villian so good that he will always correctly laydown when hero has the best hand, is anybody this good?
I think raising is a better option than folding. If villian is good his raising range is enormous here, but only a few of those hands could call a reraise profitably.

Ok let me have it....

[/ QUOTE ]

For the reraise option, let's do the math:

If you were to reraise to $45, you are betting $43 to win $15. He would have to fold 75% of the time for this to be profitable from purely a preflop perspective.

[poboy]

Do you think he is raising with a legitimate raising hand more than 25% of the time? Or better yet is he raising with a hand that can call a reraise more than 25% of the time? I guess this would depend alot on what he'll call with, but assuming he's good this range should be rather narrow I would think. JMO