JJ Hand

sammy_g · #1 07-03-2005, 04:15 PM

What do you guys think of this line?

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ BB (6 max, 6 handed) converter

CO ($64.75)
Button ($52.5)
SB ($104.02)
BB ($10.35)
Hero ($111.55)
MP ($277.35)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]. SB posts a blind of $0.5.
Hero raises to $4, MP raises to $7, 4 folds, Hero calls $3.

Flop: ($15.50) 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero checks, MP bets $5, Hero calls $5.

Turn: ($25.50) 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero checks, MP bets $5, Hero calls $5.

River: ($35.50) Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero bets $20 ...

JackThree · #2 07-03-2005, 04:17 PM

i don't really know anything about NL [img]/images/graemlins/cool.gif[/img]

sammy_g · #3 07-03-2005, 04:19 PM

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i don't really know anything about NL [img]/images/graemlins/cool.gif[/img]

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that's ok neither do i [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

JackThree · #4 07-03-2005, 04:32 PM

how do you know how much to bet?

PoBoy321 · #5 07-03-2005, 04:35 PM

I don't like raising JJ UTG because it's way too likely that you'll find yourselves in these kinds of situations. I would likely also likely bet the flop, fold to a raise and slow down if I'm called.

sammy_g · #6 07-03-2005, 04:43 PM

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I don't like raising JJ UTG because it's way too likely that you'll find yourselves in these kinds of situations.

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sorry limping with JJ is not in my playbook. i raise it utg at a full table. i want to play a decent sized pot against one or two opponents, not a smallish pot against a lot of limpers.

sammy_g · #7 07-03-2005, 04:44 PM

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how do you know how much to bet?

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bet more than my opponent did in this hand for a start.

PoBoy321 · #8 07-03-2005, 05:41 PM

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sorry limping with JJ is not in my playbook.

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Well it should be. JJ is good, but not good enough to play OOP at a full table.

EDIT: Also, what hands that don't beat you do you think any decent player would pay you off with? AT's TPTK isn't going to pay off an UTG raiser on a T high board.

sammy_g · #9 07-03-2005, 05:58 PM

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JJ is good, but not good enough to play OOP at a full table.

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dan harrington would disagree.

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EDIT: Also, what hands that don't beat you do you think any decent player would pay you off with? AT's TPTK isn't going to pay off an UTG raiser on a T high board.

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not sure i would call most people at the party 6 max tables decent players.

i didn't think i could fold for a bet this size on the river the way the hand was played, so i bet myself. he could fold a better hand. this is a scary river card.

maybe it is better to induce a bluff?

PoBoy321 · #10 07-03-2005, 06:03 PM

Whoops, one thing I didn't realize is that this was 6-max. In that case, raising JJ UTG is fine, but I still don't like it at a full table. Also, doesn't Harrington's book deal with tourney play? I don't see how you can possibly compare a tournament situation with what's going on here.