You might not like this preflop...what about postflop?

imported_smoove · #1 12-08-2005, 02:49 AM

Party Poker 2/4 Hold'em (10 handed) FTR converter on zerodivide.cx

Villain was 36/7/1.8 over 200+ hands. Rest of table roughly split between tight and loose players (sorry that's so general).

Preflop: Hero is UTG with 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
Hero calls, 3 folds, MP2 calls, 3 folds, SB completes, BB raises, Hero calls, MP2 calls, SB calls.

Yeah...I open limped this. Fold it most often here? Raise it? I know it depends on many factors...I'd say this was an average Party table.

Flop: (8 SB) K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (4 players)
SB checks, BB bets, Hero raises, MP2 folds, SB folds, BB calls.

Was this nutty?

Turn: (6 BB) 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets, BB folds.

Well, ok then. Did I just luck out here? See below in white for what the guy told me he mucked after much hesitation...blew my mind.

Final Pot: 7 BB

Villain said he mucked: AK!!!!!

#2 12-08-2005, 02:58 AM

it think we're all guilty of A rag suited limp ins utg every now and again... i'd have no problem limping in a very loose passive game...

i'm not quite sure why the hell he mucked that... was obviously lying to you...

Jake (The Snake) · #3 12-08-2005, 05:09 AM

What does everybody think about checking this turn?

hobbsmann · #4 12-08-2005, 05:19 AM

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What does everybody think about checking this turn?

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I don't like it. What is your reasoning?

hobbsmann · #5 12-08-2005, 05:20 AM

I raise preflop.

#6 12-08-2005, 05:20 AM

PREFLOP: A9s is a borderline hand UTG, but I believe there are many party tables where limping here is profitable

FLOP: Youre getting 9-1 to call, I would estimate that you have 5 pure outs, which means you have the odds to call, but becuz there is a chance you may have the best hand here, raising is the best option. The BB could easily have AQ,AJ,AT and making a bad continuation bet. Plus if the BB has QQ,JJ,TT you may induce him to make a bad fold later on in the hand.

TURN: Given how you played the flop, and the fact that you only have one opponent standing between you and this pot, you must bet this turn. Checking and taking a free card with your made hand is not an option in this decent sized pot. Plus there is still a chance the BB will fold a hand that has you beat like QQ,JJ,TT. But he cant make this bad fold if you dont bet.

I think you played this hand excellently postflop and that is much more important than whether your A9s preflop call is right or not.

SNOWBALL138 · #7 12-08-2005, 06:55 AM

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Why, so you can induce a call/value bet from TT on the river?

SNOWBALL138 · #8 12-08-2005, 06:57 AM

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I raise preflop.

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Why do you raise preflop? He didn't say anything except that its a typical party table. You don't think that raising a9s utg at a typical party table is correct, do you?

hobbsmann · #9 12-08-2005, 07:32 AM

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Because I like our hand. Because we will get called by worse hands. Because it probably doesn't matter either way and since raising is fun, raise.
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He didn't say anything except that its a typical party table. You don't think that raising a9s utg at a typical party table is correct, do you?

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I do, although at a typical 2/4 table limping might be superior.

#10 12-08-2005, 11:26 AM

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FLOP: Youre getting 9-1 to call, I would estimate that you have 5 pure outs,

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Don't forget about the backdoor flush. I'd add another 1.5 to those outs.