TT, rate my play.

[Bob T.]

3-6 kill game on UB. This is a kill pot.

Tight passive limps UTG. Loose random and tricky checks the kill blind in MP. I have the black tens on the button, and overlimp. The SB folds, and the tight aggressive BB completes.

Flop 9 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]8 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]2 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].

BB checks, UTG bets, MP calls, and I call, and the BB folds.

Turn 4 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]

UTG bets, MP raises, I threebet, and both call.

River T [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].

UTG checks, MP bets, I raise, and both call.

What do you think they held, and what do you think about my play?

[ErrantNight]

C+

I'd raise preflop in a heartbeat, and I'm not sure why you didn't. Had you raised, and UTG bets the flop, I like waiting for the turn. Here, unless I'm counting the size of the pot wrong, I'd like to raise the flop, although I'm not entirely against waiting for the turn. Given your read, the way this played out, turn and river seem standard.

[ZenMusician]

I don't understand the pf overlimp and your flop play.

The read of the hand would be much different with a
pf raise and a flop raise, no?

-ZEN

[Bob T.]

The read of the hand would be much different with a
pf raise and a flop raise, no?
Yes.

I don't understand the pf overlimp and your flop play.


Well, let's just say that I don't think that the play that I made on every street was consistant with my thinking on other streets.

Preflop, I was concerned because a fairly tight player had entered the pot UTG, and I was thinking that I didn't want to be building a pot for him, instead of me. I also thought that although my raise would be for value against the kill blind, that I might be able to get more value later on.

On the flop, I thought that with the drawish board, and last position, I would get more value raising my overpair on the turn, if I didn't find the turn card scary.

Then after I played the first two streets passively, I get aggressive when it was two bets to me on the turn [img]/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img].

[hellite]

this is in all honesty, terrible or "not rated". You are just waiting for someone to beat you here; raise preflop; raise and reraise flop etc... this is good drawing board and you do nothing to protect / tax. poor play. This is standard fare.

[ErrantNight]

fwiw i thought your turn play was consistent with your reads and your flop play. i just think your preflop reasoning sucks.

[bakku]

hey bob,

the tight passive UTG limper doesn't concern me. you have TT, the 5th best starting hand. unless he only limps UTG w/ a high PP, i can't think of a single good reason why you should limp here. given that the pot and field are so small because of your preflop limp, raise the flop

[sean c]

What if the turn brought paint or a spade?

[Bob T.]

I agree, I thought that I played this hand really poorly.

As it turned out, UTG had AA, and MP had 88, and I was in third place after the turn. I really can't imagine why neither of them made it four bets there.

Fortunately, I caught good on the river, and won a nice pot, but I could maybe have made better decisions on the big bet streets, if I had raised preflop and/or on the flop.

It really annoyed me that I made it three bets at the time I had the third best hand.

[lufbradolly]

Grunch

I'd raise preflop.

I'd raise the flop.

Probably just call the turn against unknowns but given the reads a 3bet seems fine.

The river plays itself.