Tongue Lashings and the Ed Miller Approach

[Crumpled Ear]

I have seen other posters discuss two effects of the Ed Millerian approach to poker: more money and wider swings. I, too, have noticed these and one other effect: more verbal abuse from my opponents who do not understand what I am doing. Have you noticed this too? My guess is that, to those who have not read SSHE, some of the plays seem counter intuitive. Here is an example of a hand at Pokerroom and the abuse that ensued.

I am in BB with A [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 3 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]

Preflop: 6 limpers to Button who raises. SB and I call, one limper reraises, Button caps, and all call.

Flop (8 players): 3 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 2 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 5 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]

SB bets, I raise with backdoor flush, gutshot, and to try to get other aces to fold. Limpers fold, CO raises, Button caps, SB and I call.

Turn (4 players): (3 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 2 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 5 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]) 8 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]

SB checks, I bet, CO folds, Button raises, SB folds, I call

River (2 players): (3 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 2 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 5 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 8 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]) A
[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]

I check, button checks (he has QQ).

And then, the tongue lashing:

The cutoff, who I am guessing had A with a higher kicker calls me the "biggest dumbass he has ever played with."

I reply, "Lucky wasn't I?"

Another player calls me a dumbsh*t for raising with a pair of threes.

I reply: "Defies logic, don't it?"

Another player tells me to leave the table.



The cutoff says I am an idiot.

Another player says, "Or a horribly good poker player."

And I think: Not yet, but hopefully someday with the help of SSHE [img]/images/graemlins/smirk.gif[/img]

Are you getting tongue lashings too?

[MoreWineII]

I've yet to receive a tongue lashing, but I hear a lot of mumbling under the breath and I feel a lot of dagger-like stares at times.

[All-In]

Wow, that's a rough table. Oh yeah, bet the river.

[me454555]

Check the turn. No one is folding for 1 bet and you don't have enough callers to make it a value bet.

Bet the river.

My response to those players is "go bust me and then I'll leave"

[MRBAA]

I like your raise here, with a pair and a strong draw but you don't particularly want other aces to fold, since you now have them reverse dominated.

[Barry]

I like your raise on the flop, with your decent draws.

The bet for value on the turn is shakey though. Even if you have 14 outs, you need to get all of them to call and the button sure likes his hand, so could very easily raise the turn again, which he did. You should check the turn.

You hit 1 of the cards that you were looking for, so bet the river.

If they don't understand what you were doing on the flop, just smile to yourself as you are stacking your virtual chips and don't try to enlighten them.

[colgin]

I don't like your flop raise at all. You are not going to get anyone to fold given the size of the pot (nor do you buy yourself any outs if you do), you certainky do not have the best hand and you are opening yourself up to a re-raise when you are drawing. Now, this flop may get capped anyway, but you certrainly do not want to help it along the way. You would love to see the turn here for a single bet if possible.

Bet the river.

[Crumpled Ear]

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Wow, that's a rough table. Oh yeah, bet the river.

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Yeah, I blew it on the river. I got greedy and wanted to try for a checkraise.

[bernie]

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you don't have enough callers to make it a value bet.


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14 possible outs with 3 opponents, sure he can value bet here. It's more likely even money, but i doubt he's losing money here with this turn bet. Also great for image, though the variance goes up a bit with it.

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[Barry]

He probably has at least 5 outs, plus the backdoor flush. If he gets an A and/or a 6 to fold he could have 9 outs. It's a good raise on the flop.