The book is paying off.

RustyRussel · #1 06-20-2004, 02:57 AM

First time poster. . just read SuperSystem so I decided to play really aggresive. . how's it look?

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $1.00 BB (8 handed)

saw flop|saw showdown

SB ($$40.10)
BB ($$188.30)
Hero ($$135.55)
UTG+1 ($$62.15)
MP1 ($$10.20)
MP2 ($$72.50)
CO ($$75.90)
Button ($$90.80)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
Hero calls $1, UTG+1 folds, MP1 folds, MP2 raises to $4, CO folds, Button folds, SB calls $3.50, BB folds, Hero calls $3.

Flop: ($13) 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (3 players)
SB bets $4, Hero calls $4, MP2 raises to $32, SB raises to $36.1, Hero raises to $131.55, MP2 calls $36.50 (All-In).

Turn: ($249.15) 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (3 players, 1 all-in)

River: ($249.15) 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (3 players, 1 all-in)

Final Pot: $249.15
Main Pot: $121.30, between SB, Hero and MP2. > Pot won by Hero ($121.30).
Pot 2: $127.85, between SB and Hero. > Pot won by Hero ($127.85).

Results in white below: 
SB shows Th Jh (two pair, jacks and tens).
Hero shows 2s Ks (flush, king high).
MP2 shows Ac Ah (two pair, aces and nines).
Outcome: Hero wins $249.15.

tdomeski · #2 06-20-2004, 03:46 AM

Muck that bad boy pre flop. . .after the flop you are the favorite to win the hand despite not having the best hand. .. so push it in baby. .

YoungPoker2 · #3 06-20-2004, 03:49 AM

Why the hell did you play that hand?

RustyRussel · #4 06-20-2004, 03:53 AM

Because I am crazy.

Plus. . . .

SPADES are too pretty to deny a flop. . .

jakeoneil · #5 06-20-2004, 03:56 AM

Im jumping on to the "muck preflop" bandwagon. Rusty, you want in my game?

SkippingGoat · #6 06-20-2004, 03:56 AM

Ugg. I think this looks horrible. First, calling UTG with K2s is probably a bad play. Even if you flop a draw you're in the dubious position of having to play a draw in early position. If you're relatively new to NLHE the difficulty of playing this kind of hand in early position will become apparent. If you semi-bluff this hand (which I'm surprised you didn't do considering tht you just read SS) a call forces you to bet again or basically give up the pot on the turn if you miss (which you will probably do). In late position you can semibluff and, if you get a caller, that person will likely check to you on the turn. In this way, your semi-bluff buys two cards instead of one. To add insult to injury, you called the raise which could easily have pit you against AK, which leaves you dominated with respect to your king outs.
On the flop you immediately put yourself in the position of a caller. One of the main ways the Super System wins money is by BETTING or RAISING draws and picking up a lot of pots through people folding. Since the stack sizes behind you weren't all that large, a decent bet by any of them will basically pot commit them and ruin any hope you have of buying the pot by pushing. That is, trying a check raise here is not a good idea because you won't get anyone to fold with it. All that being said, your push wan't bad on the flop simply because you were getting pot odds to draw to your flush. The push wasn't neccessary since the chance of MP2 folding here is slim given that he initially raised to $32 (however, in your defense, MP2 would have almost certainly gone all-in on the turn or river so you were probably going to have to put the extra $32 in anyway). While you credit the Super System here, all you really did was call a bunch of bets drawing to the non-nut flush showing very little aggression and got lucky in hitting. You really have to ask yourself whether calling raises with Kxs in early position is going to make money for you in the long term.

YoungPoker2 · #7 06-20-2004, 04:05 AM

That is a wonderful way to go broke in that limit. You better have alot of money to burn playing that way.

bunky9590 · #8 06-20-2004, 10:52 AM

Keep reading SS. When you get broke playing that way, get

Pot limit and no limit poker by Reuben/Ciaffone.

ML4L · #9 06-20-2004, 11:29 AM

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Keep reading SS. When you get broke playing that way, get

Pot limit and no limit poker by Reuben/Ciaffone.

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No way, man! That book is a bunch of crazy talk. They give situations where they say it's correct to fold SPADES before the flop.

Playing like Brunson is more fun. And didn't you read ML4L's post on why you should be loose-aggressive...?

And in case you didn't notice, I DID win the pot, didn't I? Must have done something right...

RustyRussel

BigBaitsim (milo) · #10 06-20-2004, 12:21 PM

Winning a pot does not mean you "did something right." Results-oriented thinking will get you very broke, very fast.