Final table ATo in the BB

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I would check raise allin on the flop

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he is almost surely going to call for 5000 more.

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The only thing I'd like to add is that a 2000-4000 chip bet will fold all but very good hands and it risks less than the all-in check raise. BTW, I think you should fold the flop after he raises if you think you are the best player at the table. If you're one of the best then you should check and fold unimproved. If you're only an average player at the table than you should go all-in.

[curtains]

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I would check raise allin on the flop

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he is almost surely going to call for 5000 more.

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The only thing I'd like to add is that a 2000-4000 chip bet will fold all but very good hands and it risks less than the all-in check raise. BTW, I think you should fold the flop after he raises if you think you are the best player at the table. If you're one of the best then you should check and fold unimproved. If you're only an average player at the table than you should go all-in.

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Betting 3000-4000 on the flop risks just as much as check raising because we aren't folding no matter what at that point. If you plan to bet and fold to a raise, then you are playing the hand incorrectly.

[jt1]

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If you plan to bet and fold to a raise, then you are playing the hand incorrectly.


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I'm new to tournaments; there are probably 100's of concepts I'm unfamiliar with. But it seems to me that survival is more important than pot odds in some situations. If you think you can out play the field than it seems logical to me that you can ignore pot odds if "obeying" them puts you in serious risk of going broke. On the other hand, if your competition is as good as you then pot odds is all you have, and should just hope for the best.

BTW, what do you think about going all-in b4 the flop?

[intheflatfield]

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I don't like calling in this spot. I think it's a push or fold, and I'm more likely to push. You can make him fold a lot of hands that have you beat, and even if you get called you have a good amount of outs.

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Yeah, what he said...

[durron597]

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If you think you can out play the field than it seems logical to me that you can ignore pot odds if "obeying" them puts you in serious risk of going broke.

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If you want to bet/fold here, you cannot outplay the field. You are almost certainly ahead and with the pot overlay you must therefore call a push. If we fold 40% of our stack off just because we aren't a huge favorite then there is no way we will ever accumulate enough chips to win.

On the other hand, either leading out allin or c/r allin puts Villian to the decision and we are likely getting all our chips with what is often the best hand (or at the very least has 12 outs if we're not a favorite most of the time).

[Quercus]

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I would check raise allin on the flop.

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I think this would have been superior to the way I played it.

If you check to villain, do you call an all-in bet?

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I think you butchered this hand.

[jt1]

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You can make him fold a lot of hands that have you beat, and even if you get called you have a good amount of outs.


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Yeah, what he said...



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Villian raised half his stack, going from chip leader to bringing up the rear. He's confident in his hand. Villian isn't going anywhere.

[Quercus]

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I think you butchered this hand.

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Hah - wouldn't be the first time.

[durron597]

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I would check raise allin on the flop.

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I think this would have been superior to the way I played it.

If you check to villain, do you call an all-in bet?

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Yes.

Edit: This possibility is the primary reason why I lead out allin instead of c/r.