PLO8 $400 hand

[fat_nutz]

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Anyone take a more aggressive line here?

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No.

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Even on the river? Given the betting on prev. streets it seems like Villian1 would bet if he had made a full house.... feel like I missed a bet there.

[gergery]

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Even on the river? Given the betting on prev. streets it seems like Villian1 would bet if he had made a full house.... feel like I missed a bet there.

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Hmm, yeah, the more i think about it the more i like a bet. you could have good player with a wrap+K-hi flush willing to call, and fishy might call. given fishy is here, a sneaky check-raise to blow fishy out seems unlikely. of course, if he had 22 and thinks you are over-agro, then.....

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Greg would you raise that flop 1/2 pot bet if the bad player in the middle didn't call?

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No. People who bet on 2-high card boards like that can’t be counted on to fold sets or 2-pair, and you are behind if they don’t. I’d be more likely to raise if the bad player stayed, actually, as then you have odds and might get free cards.


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Obviously I don't play this level so does anyone else have an interpretation of the 1/2 pot bets?

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two pair seems most likely, but a wrap hand like TQK with or without spades is also possible.

[emptyshell]

Well, for me, it's very dependent on how the game was playing out and how bad the bad player really is. A bad player would be likely to call a 1/2 pot size bet with nothing but top pair, but to call a full pot raise with that same hand would be ridiculously bad.

If most hands were being checked down to the river and this hand was unusual for the betting, it might make more sense to just call. If people are constantly taking stabs at pots on the flop, a raise makes the most sense.

The problem with just calling is that, if you hit, you are unlikely to get paid off. If you raise, you (1) give yourself another way to win the pot, (2) build a big pot for when you do hit, (3) disguise your hand, and (4) possibly buy a "free" river card.

Disguising your hand can create much better implied odds. Here's one example (although, of course, the decision to bet was made trivial by my top two pair.)

***** Hand History for Game 2615630571 *****
$400 PL Omaha Hi/Lo
BUT ( $376 ), SB ( $415.40 ),
UTG ( $387.90 ), UTG+1 ( $297.35 ), UTG+2 ( $503.96 ),
MP1 ( $432.10 ), MP2 ( $378.16 ), CO ( $188.40 ),
Hero ( $400 ), MP3 ( $89.30 )

Hero is BB with K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]

SB posts $2.
Hero posts $4.
<font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, UTG+2 calls $4, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, MP3 calls $4,
CO calls $4, BUT calls $4, SB calls $2,
Hero checks

<font color="blue">Flop</font>: (22.80) J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]
SB checks, Hero bets $22.80, UTG+2 calls $22.80,
MP3 folds, CO folds, BUT folds, SB folds

<font color="blue">Turn</font>: (66.60) 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]
Hero bets $66.60, UTG+2 calls $66.60

<font color="blue">River</font>: (199.80) 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]
(long pause)Hero bets $100, UTG+2 raises $275,
Hero is all-In $206.60, UTG+2 calls $31.60

UTG+2 shows Qc, Tc, 9d, Ac a straight, nine to king.
Hero shows Ks, Jh, Ah, 3h a flush, ace high.

Hero wins $813 from the main pot with a flush, ace high.
There was no qualifying low hand.


All that being said, maybe calling is better. I don't feel like I have enough experience to know for sure.

[fat_nutz]

You may not want to give the HH ID # in future posts. Now anyone can go request that HH and figure out your screenname. If you care...

[Jorge10]

Seems like a different situation, I mean top two is pretty strong. Look at this:

Dealt to Hero [ As Jh Tc Ks ]
Folder1 folds.
Folder2 folds.
Folder3 folds.
Villan2 calls [$2].
Folder4 folds.
Folder5 folds.
Folder6 folds.
Hero calls [$2].
Villan1 raises [$9].
Folder7 folds.
Villan2 calls [$8].
Hero calls [$8].
** Dealing Flop ** [ Jc, 2c, Kh ]
Villan1 bets [$30.40].
Villan2 calls [$30.40].
Hero raises [$152].
Villan1 is all-In.
Villan2 calls [$133.50].
Hero calls [$11.90].
** Dealing Turn ** [ 8h ]
Villan2 checks.
Hero is all-In.
Villan2 calls [$19.98].
** Dealing River ** [ 8s ]
Villan2 shows [ 2s, 4c, 3d, Ac ] two pairs, eights and twos.
Hero shows [ As, Jh, Tc, Ks ] two pairs, kings and jacks.
Villan1 doesn't show [ Td, Kc, Qh, Ad ] two pairs, kings and eights.
Hero wins $39.96 from side pot #1 with two pairs, kings and jacks.
Hero wins $520.70 from the main pot with two pairs, kings and jacks.
There was no qualifying low hand.

[emptyshell]

Oops, missed that.

Actually, though, I'm quite willing to take on anybody that doesn't already know my screen name. [img]/images/graemlins/cool.gif[/img]