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#11
08-25-2005, 04:20 AM
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Re: How would YOU! play this hand:
I would grab the screenshot and then post it on the internet because it's sooooo pretty.
Better enjoy while you can guys because I don't think the moderator allows porn on this forum. James 
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#12
08-25-2005, 09:37 AM
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Re: How would YOU! play this hand:
I would probably put in a small bet when it is checked around to me to see if I get more than one caller, but I would seriously consider checking it through. Somehow I need to get all my money in here and just pray that the flush draw brings some donk along with a flush draw and two pair....anything.
The only way I can see this being a big pot is if you get another straight to come along, then hit your flush. Dave
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#13
08-25-2005, 09:39 AM
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Re: How would YOU! play this hand:
I would say you played that as well as it could be played, and got the maximum you were going to get. Unlucky that nobody else flopped the straight.
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#14
08-25-2005, 09:42 AM
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Re: How would YOU! play this hand:
[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ] I would pot it. The only way you're going to get action on this hand is if someone else has broadway also, and if they do, then you may as well get your freerolled pot charged up. [/ QUOTE ] I disagree. If someone has the nut straight on the flop, a small bet will get them to play back at you, you can at this point shove back. If however they have some marginal holding, then a small bet of around 25% of the pot will get them to doubt your holding. http://www.pokerhand.org/index.php?p...mp;hand=112958 This is how I played the hand through in the end. Remember that I bet big a lot of times, so when I bet small it looks like i'm either uncertain about my hand to someone, or I really want them to call. As I have pointed out in previous posts, if they don't call because you bet too much, then you've lost money. What I did particularily with the hand is make my holding look like a steal on the river. It's often important to think about what your bet looks like to another person. If the situation was reversed, what would you think about someone betting $6 into a $24 pot on the flop, then $6 again when a flush hits and the pot is $36. [/ QUOTE ] All I have to say is rackmstackem is now on my buddy list. A naked queen with a 5-high flush draw? Yikes. Brad
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#15
08-25-2005, 11:27 AM
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Re: How would YOU! play this hand:
Since there were only 4 players in the pot, a small bet looking like a steal made sense. In general, your only options were to make a small bet or pot it (checking is bad). It all boils down to your current image, your feel about your opponents, and how do you want to utilize your image in the future based on the current play.
Edited; I don't think you will get any action potting it since studd7card is a smart player. He's not the chasing player. A steal-look-alike flop bet is a better option and you hope that someone else had the straight or some sort of draws so everyone would call based on the reasons of schooling and suspicion. JMO.
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#16
08-25-2005, 01:46 PM
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Re: How would YOU! play this hand:
How to optimally nut-peddle has virtually nothing to do with general strategy, and virtually everything to do with table image, opponents' tendencies, and the like.
A truly weak player may interpret a flop underbet as a sign of weakness from someone who is frequently potting on the flop (and obviously, your opponent here was a truly weak opponent), but a strong player probably would not. Against this opponent, then, it was a good move, but it might not be the best move against someone else. Also, I don't think your argument for betting small so another broadway will play back at you necessarily holds water... broadway will play back at you no matter what you bet if that's what is out there, unless the opponent is very strong. Therefore, you might as well get as much money in before your freeroll hits, which may scare away further action. But again, this is just semantics. What matters more than anything is who else is in the hand with you, how they will interpret your action, etc.
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#17
08-25-2005, 02:27 PM
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Re: How would YOU! play this hand:
[ QUOTE ]
How to optimally nut-peddle has virtually nothing to do with general strategy, and virtually everything to do with table image, opponents' tendencies, and the like. A truly weak player may interpret a flop underbet as a sign of weakness from someone who is frequently potting on the flop (and obviously, your opponent here was a truly weak opponent), but a strong player probably would not. Against this opponent, then, it was a good move, but it might not be the best move against someone else. Also, I don't think your argument for betting small so another broadway will play back at you necessarily holds water... broadway will play back at you no matter what you bet if that's what is out there, unless the opponent is very strong. Therefore, you might as well get as much money in before your freeroll hits, which may scare away further action. But again, this is just semantics. What matters more than anything is who else is in the hand with you, how they will interpret your action, etc. [/ QUOTE ] I find a lot of broadways will smooth call with position if you bet the pot, if they are out of position and you are near the button then it's more likely they will check raise "to get it in while good". What my arguement was that, if you check , then someone can't play back at you, if you bet then they can. But if you bet small, then you also get additional action from people with stone dead draws "who have value". I'm not sure betting the pot in this situation is good, especially since you have pretty much all the draws to the nuts that aren't going to be in other peoples hands.
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#19
08-25-2005, 02:29 PM
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Re: How would YOU! play this hand:
Consider this though, this was $34 picked up from the pot i would have otherwise missed. Those situations will occur several times in a session more often than not on the river and to me, it's how to value bet successfully that makes the most money in this game.
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#20
08-25-2005, 02:52 PM
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Re: How would YOU! play this hand:
I want to go beyond this a bit.
In reverse thinking, say if I were to hold A2QX without nut flush redraw (or any other redraw possibilities), a tricky player (yeah like you [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img] ) bet 1/4 of the pot and I had position on him, what's my best option? 1. Fold. 2. Call, if the turn pairs or completes flush possibility, fold. Then how about the river? 3. Minimum raise with the intention of folding if get potted back (Doing this will get myself run-over a lot in the future). 4. Pot back with the intention of folding if get potted back. Clearly folding is the best option, am I too conservative? What's your take?
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