The Bellagio-Mirage-Wynn Middle Limit War Begins

[Dynasty]

I visited Wynn today and will post my comments about the room in one of the review threads.

My main interest with the opening of Wynn and the Bellagio's renovations is how the middle limit (10-20 to 40-80) games will be spread among the three rooms. If today is any indication, the Mirage will be only marginally impacted while Wynn and the Bellagio fight the big battles.

For the last few years, the Bellagio and Mirage rarely spread the same limits in hold 'em games. The Bellagio had 15-30 and 30-60. The Mirage had 10-20, 20-40, and 40-80.

On early Thursday evening, Wynn was mostly spreading games which would take action away from the Bellagio.

Wynn had one 30-60, two 15-30's, and one 40-80.

Bellagio had four 30-60's and two 15-30's.

Mirage had three 10-20's, one 20-40, and one 40-80.

If Wynn continues going for the 15-30 and 30-60 games, it's going to be interesting to see who wins between Wynn and Bellagio. Or, if they just end up splitting the market.

Considering the size of Wynn's poker room, they can't expect to draw middle limit games away from both the Bellagio and Mirage. With less than 30 tables in the room and lots of 4-8 and small blind no-limit games, there isn't room to take all the games from both the Bellagio and Mirage (if that's even a reasonable expectation to start with).

Wynn's computerized waiting lists and vastly better comps (according to what I read in another thread) should give them a good foundation for providing better service to the middle limit crowd.

It'll be interesting to see how this develops.

[Trainwreck]

Hi, not sure why the rooms have to care honestly, since the rake isn't going UP with the limits?

Once you hit a certain level ALMOST all pots are instantly capped RAKE, aren't they?

This is why the higher games aren't everywhere, limited audience... filling tables consistently is more important then having a bunch of high stake bitchy magoos around? [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]


>TW<

[poker327]

One reason they want the higher action because some players and their signficiant others go play the carnival games as well.

[Trainwreck]

Yeah that is a factor, BUT:

Then why aren't the bigger games spread more places? (I know I know, 'we'll make an interest list' BS!)

All the casinos offer TONS of expensive SUCKER games, often disguised as .01 slots.

>TW<

[poker327]

At the Borgata in Atlantic City, they will try and start a higher limit game with a waiting list that they know has little chance of going, even though they have a 6/12 or 10/20 list with 30 people on it eager to play. They want to keep the higher limit players happy so they don't go to another casino. In Vegas with more casinos, they have more incentive to do this, IMO.

[daryn]

doesn't the same guy own both, or am i wrong?

[duma]

Bellagio and Mirage are both owned by the same company, MGM Mirage.

[AllVegasPoker.com]

I think there is enough middle limit action to fill up Wynn and Bellagio. If you have seen the wait-lists for the 15/30 or 30/60 games at Bellagio for the past few months then you might agree.

[gambool]

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Wynn's computerized waiting lists and vastly better comps (according to what I read in another thread) should give them a good foundation for providing better service to the middle limit crowd.

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I dont get the value of the whole comps thing, especially at mid limits.

Example 1: Touristy 30/60 game. You get rivered a few times to many though, and decide to call it a day -2000. On your way out of the room the floorman says "thanks for playing, heres $6, go buy yourself a sandwich" [img]/images/graemlins/mad.gif[/img]

Example 2 : Juicy 30/60 game. The deck hits you good a few times, and you cash out after 4 hours +3000. On your way out of the room the floorman says "Nice play Mr. Heres $6, go buy yourself a coffee and pastry" [img]/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img]

[Jeffage]

If pros can eat all their meals (breakfast, lunch, dinner, etc) for free, that's a big benefit. Esp. for those that struggle. For regulars, it's a big deal...tourists likely don't care.

Jeff