$11: <10xBB, 55

liucipher · #1 11-28-2005, 11:01 PM

Given t200 in dead chips (if I assume the limpers fold), does anybody push here with the intention of racing/hoping for FE? This was the first hand of level 4.

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t100 (8 handed) converter

MP2 (t835)
CO (t1015)
Button (t1255)
SB (t1083)
Hero (t720)
UTG (t1550)
UTG+1 (t957)
MP1 (t585)

Preflop: Hero is BB with 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
2 folds, MP1 calls t100, MP2 calls t100, 2 folds, SB raises to t200, Hero ???

applejuicekid · #2 11-28-2005, 11:58 PM

I used to make plays like this all the time about a year ago. I have stopped doing this, but I don't know why really.

Assuming both limpers will fold and the SB will always call. A quick ICM calculation says you need to be about 42.6% against his range to be breakeven with folding. However, sometimes the limpers will call and sometimes the SB will fold. I think 55 is close to 43% against his range. However, I generally fold this.

tigerite · #3 11-29-2005, 05:43 AM

It's be pretty damn rare that I'd push this, but I wouldn't hate a call, depends on the limpers.

tigerite · #4 11-29-2005, 05:46 AM

As for why a call isn't too bad despite being for 1/6th your stack, well, folding you have t620 and are in the SB next hand anyway. If it was a passive table, a fold is better here, because you'll get it folded to your SB more often, and obviously t570 is more likely to garner a fold than t470. But the latter should still be enough most times. Neither are particularly wonderful situations, but that extra t100 isn't going to help you a great deal, as a double up from t470 still puts you on about 10BB, whereas t570 you get the awkward stack size of 11-12BB ish.

aujoz · #5 11-29-2005, 06:43 AM

with two limpers and a raiser on 10+1, I can't imagine you getting all 3 to fold.

with 55 all-in, the best you can do is to be racing against two overcards, and you're a big dog to a bigger pair. wait for something better, and you'll probably get paid off anyway.