Do pros dis like Hellmuth

[horne_dawg]

"With the board showing 9d-5s-3h, Phil Ivey bets $11,000. The only other player in the hand is Phil Hellmuth. Hellmuth takes more than a few minutes to think, before asking how much Ivey has left. Ivey places his chips in plain sight, but doesn't count them. "If he won't count them, someone else do it," says Hellmuth. The dealer begins counting Ivey's chips, but as he's about to finish, Doyle Brunson asks whether or not it's allowable to have an exact count done in pot-limit. Tournament Director Johnny Grooms rules that is not, but the count is already finished. Hellmuth then deliberates for another 2-3 minutes before Surinder Sunar calls for time. Johnny Grooms doesn't get very far in the count before Hellmuth reraises all-in. Hellmuth shows pocket Kings, while Ivey shows pocket Aces. The turn is the 5c and the river the 10h. Hellmuth doubles up Ivey and is left with only $35,000 in chips. Ivey's stack is rounding out near $100,000."

Why elsa would Ivey not count his chips, and why would Doyle complian about it. I am actully surprise more pros dont tell Phil where to go.

[TomHimself]

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"With the board showing 9d-5s-3h, Phil Ivey bets $11,000. The only other player in the hand is Phil Hellmuth. Hellmuth takes more than a few minutes to think, before asking how much Ivey has left. Ivey places his chips in plain sight, but doesn't count them. "If he won't count them, someone else do it," says Hellmuth. The dealer begins counting Ivey's chips, but as he's about to finish, Doyle Brunson asks whether or not it's allowable to have an exact count done in pot-limit. Tournament Director Johnny Grooms rules that is not, but the count is already finished. Hellmuth then deliberates for another 2-3 minutes before Surinder Sunar calls for time. Johnny Grooms doesn't get very far in the count before Hellmuth reraises all-in. Hellmuth shows pocket Kings, while Ivey shows pocket Aces. The turn is the 5c and the river the 10h. Hellmuth doubles up Ivey and is left with only $35,000 in chips. Ivey's stack is rounding out near $100,000."

Why elsa would Ivey not count his chips, and why would Doyle complian about it. I am actully surprise more pros dont tell Phil where to go.

[/ QUOTE ]becasue phil hellmuth is a loser lol

[benfranklin]

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Why elsa would Ivey not count his chips, and why would Doyle complian about it. I am actully surprise more pros dont tell Phil where to go.

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1. Hellmuth does play cheap little mind games when he thinks he can get an edge, like asking for chip counts and taking a long time to act while he moves his chips around in various size stacks. That stuff gets old, especially when it is obvious and repetitive.

2. The rule is that you have to have your chips where they can be seen, but you don't have to count them for anyone. Especially against noobs, good players will often ask for a count to see if the guy gives off a tell in handling his chips or in his verbal statement. Ivey, of course, is the last guy in the world to try that on, and he probably resented Hellmuth treating him like a noob.

3. Personal opinion: I think that guys like Doyle and Ivey and Lederer who act professionally at the table have little patience for guys like Hellmuth who don't. As I remember, in a recent post-game interview, Howard said something to the effect that Phil could use a little more maturity.

[Aceshigh7]

Surinder Sunar was out of line there. Judging from his behavior on the WPT event he won and then calling time on Phil when he himself wasn't even in the hand, he seems like a first class prick.

Calling time when you're not involved in the hand is a very low class thing to do.

[TheMainEvent]

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Calling time when you're not involved in the hand is a very low class thing to do.

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With Phil its clear that he takes more time for reasons other than weighing a difficult descision. If he was doing this constantly and holding the table up I think he was completely justified in calling time.

[Paul Phillips]

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Calling time when you're not involved in the hand is a very low class thing to do.

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Spoken like a guy who has never played poker in the real world.

[Aceshigh7]

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Calling time when you're not involved in the hand is a very low class thing to do.

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Spoken like a guy who has never played poker in the real world.

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Spoken like a pretentious prick with more money than sense.

[JohnnyHumongous]

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Calling time when you're not involved in the hand is a very low class thing to do.

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Spoken like a guy who has never played poker in the real world.

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Spoken like a pretentious prick with more money than sense.

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...who also harbors a bizarre personal vendetta against Phil Hellmuth?

[maurile]

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"With the board showing 9d-5s-3h, Phil Ivey bets $11,000. The only other player in the hand is Phil Hellmuth. Hellmuth takes more than a few minutes to think, before asking how much Ivey has left. Ivey places his chips in plain sight, but doesn't count them. "If he won't count them, someone else do it," says Hellmuth. The dealer begins counting Ivey's chips, but as he's about to finish, Doyle Brunson asks whether or not it's allowable to have an exact count done in pot-limit. Tournament Director Johnny Grooms rules that is not, but the count is already finished. Hellmuth then deliberates for another 2-3 minutes before Surinder Sunar calls for time. Johnny Grooms doesn't get very far in the count before Hellmuth reraises all-in. Hellmuth shows pocket Kings, while Ivey shows pocket Aces. The turn is the 5c and the river the 10h. Hellmuth doubles up Ivey and is left with only $35,000 in chips. Ivey's stack is rounding out near $100,000."

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Huh? Why weren't Ivey's aces good?

[Russ McGinley]

Hellmuth doubled Ivey up.