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#1
12-04-2005, 08:17 PM
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<\'(((>< ?
3 handed. i dont know much about the BB but that he has alot of money on the table and is probably tag but i dont know if hes the good tag or the bad tag.
i openraise 6x7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] in the SB and he calls in the BB Flop is KQJ all hearts i bet he raises i call (??) turn is a To i quickly bet he calls river is a blank i bet [img]/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img] 
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#3
12-04-2005, 08:29 PM
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Re: <\'(((>< ?
Disagree I don't think he ever folds anything here. I check/call turn and check/fold river.
-DeathDonkey
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#4
12-04-2005, 08:31 PM
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Re: <\'(((>< ?
are you expecting him to fold a pair on the turn?
It seems like if you are putting a bet in on the turn as a bluff you are going to have to do it UI on the river too b/c there are so many ways he could call...it just seems like too much. Surf
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#5
12-04-2005, 08:32 PM
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Re: <\'(((>< ?
[ QUOTE ]
Disagree I don't think he ever folds anything here. I check/call turn and check/fold river. -DeathDonkey [/ QUOTE ] i think the biggest thing im trying to get him to fold is a pair + a heart...i think he might fold that occasionally, especially if its a weak ten or jack
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#6
12-04-2005, 08:35 PM
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Re: <\'(((>< ?
[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ] Disagree I don't think he ever folds anything here. I check/call turn and check/fold river. -DeathDonkey [/ QUOTE ] i think the biggest thing im trying to get him to fold is a pair + a heart...i think he might fold that occasionally, especially if its a weak ten or jack [/ QUOTE ] Are you expecting it to take both a turn and river bet? Because if so I think it is just risking too much for too slim a chance...but i'm in weak-tight mode at this point so i'm willing to be corrected and probably could use some more LAG in me. Surf
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#8
12-04-2005, 09:20 PM
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Re: <\'(((>< ?
TS,
A boring question: Why not fold PF? It seems you'd be a dog with those cards vs TAG OOP. EDIT: Also, what range do you think he's calling with PF? I'd like to do an analysis.
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#9
12-04-2005, 09:38 PM
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Re: <\'(((>< ?
I don't see why the turn bet only makes sense if it's followed by a river bet. Villain easily could have raised the flop without a heart, and just a pair. The turn is a scare card, as hero could have a straight, so taking a shot at winning the pot with a bet there doesn't seem bad to me. But once that doesn't work, can't we give up?
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#10
12-04-2005, 09:44 PM
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Re: <\'(((>< ?
[ QUOTE ]
I don't see why the turn bet only makes sense if it's followed by a river bet. Villain easily could have raised the flop without a heart, and just a pair. The turn is a scare card, as hero could have a straight, so taking a shot at winning the pot with a bet there doesn't seem bad to me. But once that doesn't work, can't we give up? [/ QUOTE ] I think the idea is that sometimes he raised the flop with a heart and nothing else. He calls the turn trying to make his flush. Now he might give up. The chance he might also fold a Q or J adds additional value, though I don't think much. Anyway, the river bet will be profitable then only if: 1. He would play a single high heart that way on the flop. 2. The number of times this is the case is paid for by the pot odds. I asked about his range in order to answer 2.
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