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11-23-2005, 01:27 PM
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Re: 80/160 hand against J.A. Sucker
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As played, I dont like the flop c'r. Looks to much like you're just on a steal kind of thing like "i know you dont have anything yet" and he's like "i know you dont have any of that either, we're going to the turn" [/ QUOTE ] who's nothing do you think is better? and who's nothing doesn't really mind putting in 3 bets on the flop? Barron 
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#2
11-23-2005, 06:19 PM
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Re: 80/160 hand against J.A. Sucker
Well, good point barron. Our nothing is probably better than JA's nothing.
That being said, I'd re-raise PF and try to CR the river. Tex
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#3
11-23-2005, 01:13 PM
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Re: 80/160 hand against J.A. Sucker
In the new style FCR {}
Preflop FCR{0, 50%, 50%} Flop B, C/C, C/R {33%, 33%, 33%} I think I'm in the lead on all of these but this is a good spot to mix things up. Because I can now play SO many hands this way. The percentages will change but my C/R no longer clarifies my hand, nor does any other action. If I check raised the flop I'm betting now. 90% If I check called the flop I'm B, C/R {50% , 50%} This is highly based on the villian. If I bet out on the flop I'm betting now. 90% River: C/R, B {25%, 75%}
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#4
11-23-2005, 01:21 PM
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Re: 80/160 hand against J.A. Sucker
River c/r time.
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#5
11-23-2005, 01:29 PM
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Re: 80/160 hand against J.A. Sucker
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River c/r time. [/ QUOTE ] Why? Seems to me there are two ways to get one more bet on the river. - You bet he makes a crying call - You check he makes a bluff bet (If number 1 > number 2 then a bet is in order) Other possibilities: He has a ace (smaller or bigger) or some other hand that beats you (not sure how this is possible). - You bet he raises you call (win or lose 2 bets) Usually I would expect you win, but will be unwilling to risk a 3 bet. - You check raise he 3 bets (Are you laying it down?). Lose 3 bets almost always. Usually I would expect you lost. I would do the hand combo thing but I find that the assumptions of creating what's possible is so wide that a 'feel' is better in this case than some numbers with potentially large errors.
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#6
11-23-2005, 02:07 PM
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Re: 80/160 hand against J.A. Sucker
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[ QUOTE ] River c/r time. [/ QUOTE ] Why? Seems to me there are two ways to get one more bet on the river. - You bet he makes a crying call - You check he makes a bluff bet (If number 1 > number 2 then a bet is in order) Other possibilities: He has a ace (smaller or bigger) or some other hand that beats you (not sure how this is possible). - You bet he raises you call (win or lose 2 bets) Usually I would expect you win, but will be unwilling to risk a 3 bet. - You check raise he 3 bets (Are you laying it down?). Lose 3 bets almost always. Usually I would expect you lost. I would do the hand combo thing but I find that the assumptions of creating what's possible is so wide that a 'feel' is better in this case than some numbers with potentially large errors. [/ QUOTE ] You need to use some hand-reading here. It's highly unlikely that Sucker has anything besides a missed draw or an ace. Both of which he should bet on the river, one of which he will not call a bet on the river. -James
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#7
11-23-2005, 03:20 PM
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Re: 80/160 hand against J.A. Sucker
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[ QUOTE ] River c/r time. [/ QUOTE ] Why? Seems to me there are two ways to get one more bet on the river. - You bet he makes a crying call - You check he makes a bluff bet (If number 1 > number 2 then a bet is in order) Other possibilities: He has a ace (smaller or bigger) or some other hand that beats you (not sure how this is possible). - You bet he raises you call (win or lose 2 bets) Usually I would expect you win, but will be unwilling to risk a 3 bet. - You check raise he 3 bets (Are you laying it down?). Lose 3 bets almost always. Usually I would expect you lost. I would do the hand combo thing but I find that the assumptions of creating what's possible is so wide that a 'feel' is better in this case than some numbers with potentially large errors. [/ QUOTE ] this is just wrong. AK bets the turn. his most likely hand by far is an ace. this is a standard river checkraise. especiallyy given pf call. Barron
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#8
11-23-2005, 06:23 PM
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Re: 80/160 hand against J.A. Sucker
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River c/r time. [/ QUOTE ] I think so too.
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#9
11-23-2005, 02:04 PM
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Re: 80/160 hand against J.A. Sucker
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Bay 101 I've been in the game about an hour or two and I talked to Sucker briefly before he got in the game so he knows who I am, and I know him, etc... He also knows that I haven't played a whole lot of the 80 game, I've usually been playing the 40. Sucker sits down and posts behind the button, it's folded to him and he raises, Button and SB fold, I call in the BB with A [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] Q [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] . We're heads up. Flop: 5 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 2 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 2 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] I check, he bets, I raise, he 3-bets, I call. Turn: T [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] I check, he checks River: A [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] I bet, he calls. Comments on all streets appreciated. Results and thoughts later. [/ QUOTE ] I'd check-raise the river. -James EDIT: God damn you gambler for responding first! But seriously, if it isn't obvious his hand is Ax or unpaired flush draw on the turn, then I am really out of touch with how live poker plays. Check-raise the river and cackle loudly.
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#10
11-23-2005, 02:12 PM
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Re: 80/160 hand against J.A. Sucker
Here is what I'd do. 3 bet preflop 90% or the time and all just 10% of the time. If he raises me on the flop I'd 3 bet about 60% of the time and call 40% of the time. If he 4 bets me I check fold turn otherwise check/call the turn. The river I bet out about 70% of the time and c/r 30% of the time....
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